+1 valves in a 731 head

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  • Gruelius
    Wrencher
    • Oct 2009
    • 298

    #1

    +1 valves in a 731 head

    Hi all,
    I got told 325i inlet (42mm) in a 731 head (40mm) is a very expensive task for machining, how about a 41mm valve? or do they not really exist?

    Thanks
    RIP 84 323i coupe 5spd w/ 14psi
    89' 318i
  • jlevie
    R3V OG
    • Nov 2006
    • 13530

    #2
    Seems to me that increasing valve size is going to mean increasing seat size, which requires some expensive machine work. So I don't see where there'd be an advantage to 41mm vs 42mm valves.
    The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
    Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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    • nando
      Moderator
      • Nov 2003
      • 34827

      #3
      Pretty sure they can be reamed +1mm, at least the 885 can be.
      Build thread

      Bimmerlabs

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      • Gruelius
        Wrencher
        • Oct 2009
        • 298

        #4
        yeah, i know for a fact 325i vavles need the combustion chamber modded, just looking to not have that drop off in flow for higher lift.

        Also 855 heads cost ~$700-1k here so thats why im sticking with 731
        RIP 84 323i coupe 5spd w/ 14psi
        89' 318i

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        • SpecM
          R3V Elite
          • Oct 2005
          • 4531

          #5
          $700 to 1000? whaaaaaaa?

          they're like $50 here
          1989 cirrisblau-metallic 325i

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          • nando
            Moderator
            • Nov 2003
            • 34827

            #6
            Originally posted by SpecM
            $700 to 1000? whaaaaaaa?

            they're like $50 here
            where?
            Build thread

            Bimmerlabs

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            • SpecM
              R3V Elite
              • Oct 2005
              • 4531

              #7
              Originally posted by nando
              where?
              ok ok... I meant a buddy-buddy deal for a head that may need freshened up

              but good heads swap hands for $200-300 easy
              1989 cirrisblau-metallic 325i

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              • Gruelius
                Wrencher
                • Oct 2009
                • 298

                #8
                yeah we had no super eta's and most bmw owners were tightasses getting 318i's so rarity of the head has bumped its value lol.
                RIP 84 323i coupe 5spd w/ 14psi
                89' 318i

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                • lennon
                  E30 Fanatic
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 1416

                  #9
                  the rarity of the 731 head has somewhat bumped it's value here, for people with eta's. i wouldn't bother installing plus size valves in that head. it would be wiser to save that money and get an 885 head/m20b25 if you don't have one. even at 700-1000 you would probably come out on top for cheaper than doing all that work to a lesser head. and why not buy one on here from the states or elsewhere?

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                  • Gruelius
                    Wrencher
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 298

                    #10
                    complete motor looking ~$ 1500

                    I bought a m50 from usa once and gto fucked completely on it. ended up losing about $700 aud. shippings a pain and if the head had a crack develop from shipping id be effed

                    i also have a good nick 731 head in my parts pile.

                    may just have it ported but i feel like its going to choke the 2.7.
                    RIP 84 323i coupe 5spd w/ 14psi
                    89' 318i

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                    • BMC227
                      E30 Addict
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 448

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Gruelius
                      but i feel like its going to choke the 2.7.
                      lol, little do you know.
                      They call me the frog



                      - E30 Alpina C2 2.7
                      - E30 Alpina C2 2.5
                      - E28 M 528I 3.5 (300HP)
                      - E36 M3 S50 3.2 (Euro)

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                      • digger
                        R3V Elite
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 5911

                        #12
                        use B25 valves and ream the seats and deshroud if neccesary. If you do a half assed job you get half assed results
                        89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

                        new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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                        • wakdog
                          Wrencher
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 223

                          #13
                          Would it really be worth the effort of fitting the larger valves?

                          I have a 2.7 ETA block with 10.2:1 euro pistons and a AMC 731 head (after my last one cracked) My 731 head is ported to essentially the same size intake ports as a 885 head (probably a little bit larger) and we just have to match this to a 325i intake mani and i should be good to go. Would I gain much in this setup from a +1 valve setup...?
                          90 318i M62B44 OBD1
                          02 530i Touring (Airlift 3P)

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                          • digger
                            R3V Elite
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 5911

                            #14
                            Originally posted by wakdog
                            Would it really be worth the effort of fitting the larger valves?

                            I have a 2.7 ETA block with 10.2:1 euro pistons and a AMC 731 head (after my last one cracked) My 731 head is ported to essentially the same size intake ports as a 885 head (probably a little bit larger) and we just have to match this to a 325i intake mani and i should be good to go. Would I gain much in this setup from a +1 valve setup...?
                            a 731 head with B25 valves and ported mildly flows same as a 885 head but without as much volume in the ports. Why would you go larger ports than the 885? the 885 is already a little large. I hope this was decided based on flow numbers otherwise you might have killed port velocity.
                            89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

                            new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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                            • wakdog
                              Wrencher
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 223

                              #15
                              spoke to the guy who did the porting and hes told me its the same size ports as a 885 head, and jsut a general cleanup inside as the AMC casting is pretty average as it comes from the factory
                              90 318i M62B44 OBD1
                              02 530i Touring (Airlift 3P)

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