ireland enginerign stroker kit

[nando]

we have gotten a few of the 3.0 sets from IE. No issues, and yes one can piece the items together but one stop shop saves time and headaches down the road.

For my touring we are in the process of building a m20 3.0 with itbs using IE internals. Should be a fun ride.

But you are just overpaying for a "kit" that's not even complete, and the one special part you need (spacer) is junk.

[Dagamus(NM)]

I agree with the IE crank spacer being garbage. When Peerless built my motor with the IE 3.0 kit, we had to take off the junk spacer and replace it with the metric mechanic unit.

The flat top pistons are what they are. If I knew then what I know now I may has gone a different route. However I am not bitter about it. I went with the low compression stroker for high boost.

The stroker kit was one small portion of the total cost in the motor.

The only thing that was bad about the IE deal was that they sent me the wrong main bearings. They sent me late model bearings with the 180 degree oil groove instead of the early with 360 degrees.

I probably spend 3k+ on the head and about 7k on the block and bits that go to it.

These motors are not cheap to build. You may be better off going another route. M50 is cheaper.

[SkiFree]

But you are just overpaying for a "kit" that's not even complete, and the one special part you need (spacer) is junk.

How up-to-date is this circulating info on the IE spacer being garbage? It's the same dimensions as the Der Affe piece, and the tech. drawing I've seen floating around. If anybody has gotten one within the last 2 years and has had it leak let me know and I'll take care of it. Otherwise handing out old info is.... well that's your call.

Nando, what else would you consider needed as part of the kit that is inherent to the stroker setup? It's obviously not every last little thing you'll need (and the listing doesn't claim to be, there's even a list of suggested supporting hardware), but if there's things (or information) you suggest to be added on the listing itself then by all means, let's fix it instead of complain about it. When someone purchases, or is looking to pick up one of these kits,

As for the price, it is what it is, sure it can be pieced together cheaper if you have the time, resources, etc. Just like a lot of things in life.

[nando]

well as of a year ago at least. who said anything about dimensions? the machining quality is what was lacking.

as for what's missing? uhm, rods? it's like $2000 for a crank and some pistons. that's not exactly a bargain.

"peicing together". come on. there's nothing in an M20 bottom end - you need a stock bearing kit, 135mm rods, custom pistons (usually come with pins and rings), and a crank. I could buy uber expensive MM pistons (with rings and pins), an 89.6mm crank, 135mm rods, bearings, *and* a new oil pump for less.

[SkiFree]

the machining quality is what was lacking.

as for what's missing? uhm, rods? it's like $2000 for a crank and some pistons. that's not exactly a bargain.

"peicing together". come on. there's nothing in an M20 bottom end - you need a stock bearing kit, 135mm rods, custom pistons (usually come with pins and rings), and a crank. I could buy uber expensive MM pistons (with rings and pins), an 89.6mm crank, 135mm rods, bearings, *and* a new oil pump for less.

What specifically about the machining "quality" appeared to be 'lacking', that's a pretty non-descriptive term and some clarification would be nice. I'm pretty familiar with the kits that have been sold within the past year and a half or so. Point me in the direction of the guy that had issues within then and now, I'd like the chance to talk with him.

Concerning rods, I thought most people would already have 135mm rods to re-use? I've sold sets of standard rods for those who ask, along with the H-beams (which ARE listed as an option).

As for 'not of a bargain', not sure where I claimed it to be one. As Guten already said "...and yes one can piece the items together but one stop shop saves time and headaches down the road." The only other kit I'm aware of is $2400.

I'd like to see an example of how you would make the listing (not meant to be offensive). Rather than easily picking apart the kit, give me an example of what you would write as the END ALL listing/price.

[deutschman]

well as of a year ago at least. who said anything about dimensions? the machining quality is what was lacking.

as for what's missing? uhm, rods? it's like $2000 for a crank and some pistons. that's not exactly a bargain.

"peicing together". come on. there's nothing in an M20 bottom end - you need a stock bearing kit, 135mm rods, custom pistons (usually come with pins and rings), and a crank. I could buy uber expensive MM pistons (with rings and pins), an 89.6mm crank, 135mm rods, bearings, *and* a new oil pump for less.

Pictures and or measurements would be very helpful for both people interested in buying the kit, and for Andrew and the other guys at Ireland. They are a stand up shop and if there is an actual problem with their product I am sure they would love to be appraised of it so that they could correct the faults in the spacer.
I have had problems with some parts out of the many many other parts I have bought from the guys at Ireland. I took measurements and pictures comparing the part to the same part in the condition it should have been in, and I had the part sent back and my money back in no time flat with no questions asked.
If you are going to be critical, be constructive.
As fare as price. Yeah its not cheap. Yes you can probably put a kit together by your self for less. How ever, it does save you a lot of head ache. There is something to be said for a one stop shop. You also dont have to pay shipping more then ones from different venders. It really comes down to how much money you have to spend and how much BS you feel like putting up with. I know there have been many times when I had to put "kits" together and sores all my own parts. Some of those times I have wished that some one offered all those parts together and I would have been very happy to pay some extra money just to save me the pain in the ass of doing it my self. You pay for the parts, and the service. My .02

[digger]

What specifically about the machining "quality" appeared to be 'lacking', that's a pretty non-descriptive term and some clarification would be nice. I'm pretty familiar with the kits that have been sold within the past year and a half or so. Point me in the direction of the guy that had issues within then and now, I'd like the chance to talk with him.

Concerning rods, I thought most people would already have 135mm rods to re-use? I've sold sets of standard rods for those who ask, along with the H-beams (which ARE listed as an option).

As for 'not of a bargain', not sure where I claimed it to be one. As Guten already said "...and yes one can piece the items together but one stop shop saves time and headaches down the road." The only other kit I'm aware of is $2400.

I'd like to see an example of how you would make the listing (not meant to be offensive). Rather than easily picking apart the kit, give me an example of what you would write as the END ALL listing/price.

http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94990

one look at the photos shows it is shithouse

[Dagamus(NM)]

Now to be fair, that spacer is a unit older than 2 years. If the issue ofthe ridges on the spacer have been addressed then good.

I had bought a lot of parts from IE either direct from IE or from chris at e30tech when he was selling things from them.

The majority of the parts were flawless, some had issues. Other than the crank spacer which was not run so it cannot be proven that it leaks and the wrong bearings the kit was exactly as advertised. The quality on the shorty headers left a little to be desired but they were ok for the price. I was pissed when shipping tossed the headers that paid to be ceramic coated in a cardboard box with newspaper stuffing along with a lightweight flywheel. Neither parts was individually wrapped and I got coated headers covered in marks from the ring gear. The front brake kit was probably my biggest let down. After quite some time changing out hats and other things making me crazy I brought the brakes to IE. Jeremy and I figured out that it was the relief in the back was designed for FAG bearings, but didn't fit SKF. He put it on the lathe and all was good.

It was Jeff's attitude that made me decide to forever take my business elsewhere. He looked at the brakes and said, that is the old style anyways. Then he walked away. Well I paid the full price for them and they had issues for two years. I took them all the way to California and figured out the problem in their shop and Jeff couldn't care less.

Jeremy is the only reason I won't go out of my way to bash IE as it has Jeff's name on it. I have not stated anything other than the truth and honest series of events. If you war to buy the kit go for it, if not no problem. I am not advocating in either direction.

[acolella76]

This is starting to get a little off topic. I don't think we are here to discuss Ireland Engineering as a whole, just their stroker kit.

IMO the kit is a little overpriced, but still reasonable for anyone who wants to save the trouble of ordering your own custom pistons and finding a crank. With rods and a cam for the same price it would be a good deal... just sayin'.

[SkiFree]

I guess it's good to air out some old laundry, thanks for being straight forward Dagamus. Frankly Jeff is not a people person, he's an old-school engineer (Purdue, worked at the steel mills before concentrating on molding). You're not the first person that has been put off by him, and probably won't be the last. From a different perspective as a mechanical engineering student, I've learned more from him than at school. Jeremy, as you know, is a good guy. As an obverse perspective, I don't like that Mr. Peerless of E30tech, according to him I'm a 12 year-old Chinese girl selling everybody parts I made in a sweat shop. However, I'm sure you like him and my opinion doesn't change the fact that he might be a good mechanic.


Back on track to the stroker kit, I took these pictures this morning of the Ireland Engineering M20 crank spacer, done by a local cnc shop we work with.

[digger]

looks like things have improved....

I also think the kit is good value compared to spending time looking for all the parts. It would be nice to be able to get the factory dome shape with the pistons though. The custom piston appear to be able to do but it is not available with the kit?

[Dagamus(NM)]

When I spoke to IE in ordering my kit they expressed to me that I could get the pistons however I want. They actually took back the high compression pistons I ordered initially as I decided that I wanted to go boosted and change to a lower compression setup.

It is easy to focus on the negatives, but yeah it is a decent pile of parts to take to a mechanic/machinist and say build me a motor. The spacer looks a million times better than the one that was on mine.

Keep in mind that it was me that put up the x-rays of IE's rocker arms comparing them to the stock units that were porous underneath the tappet heads. It also showed the flaws along the line where the stress front the valvespring breaks them. I imagine that sent a bit of business that way.

[nando]

Yeah, i hosted those files for you :)

[whodwho]

And they were my rockers, go team!! :D

[SkiFree]

Haha nice, that was one of the first things I came across after starting to look around on the forums.

Digger, you have a point. I'd say half of the kit's pistons sold end up being custom ordered. I'll adjust the listing on Monday.

Whodwho - I am going to be in need of your MS skills shortly, will PM very soon.