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    Started the wiring harness design. Cat is not optimistic.

    "And then we broke the car. Again." Mark Donohue, "The Unfair Advantage"

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      Cat would be more optimistic if you used yarn/spaghetti/string to represent wires.

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        Wiring schematic is coming along. Has a key and push button start. Everything is based on breakers, relays and low voltage toggle switches.

        Check out the dual fan control with inrush current limiting. Maybe I should start making these? :devil:

        Also, think I'll switch to electronic design format. Large format paper is a pain to document.

        "And then we broke the car. Again." Mark Donohue, "The Unfair Advantage"

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          For any electrical geeks out there here is the theory of operation for my dual fan controller with inrush current limiting:

          1. Key energizes relay which turns on 12VRUN rail

          2. Activating fan toggle or high water temp triggers relay routing 12VALW to fans, also gated by key being on.

          3. Normally closed contacts of relays for fan1 and fan2 are routed to 1 ohm, 50 watt wire wound resistors. They are capable of handling up to 10X rated power for 5 seconds. Fans will attempt to pull 50A each (600W) for ~10 ms. They are limited to 12A each by the resistors.

          4. When Fan toggle is on or water temp is high, RC delay circuits on each fan relay begin to charge. Fan1 has 500ms delay, fan2 has 1 sec delay. When each delay circuit is fully charged, fan relays switch from current limiting path to direct connect.

          Should work .....
          "And then we broke the car. Again." Mark Donohue, "The Unfair Advantage"

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            On second thought after looking at fan curves I'm changing those delays to 2 sec and 3 sec. Takes the fans a while to spin up.
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              Ha. I guess Varg has not been reading the thread lately or he would have called me out on the last schematic. :devil: Relays coils have low resistance (60 ohms) which would have killed my design.

              Here's the new and improved electronic version. Click image for full size pdf.

              Last edited by dvallis; 04-17-2017, 06:51 PM.
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                Wiring harness mostly done. Click on image for high res PDF.

                Last edited by dvallis; 04-18-2017, 10:30 AM. Reason: typos
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                  Nothing beats simulation to check an analog idea. Here's the fan inrush limiter delay circuit.



                  And the simulation. At power-on capacitor C1 starts charging through R3. Voltage on the C1-R3 node increases per the RC time constant as shown in V[n002]. Once RC voltage reaches 1.4V, Q2 starts conducting and Q1 is triggered, allowing current to flow through R1 (simulating relay coil) and close the relay.

                  Best thing is it doesn't use a honking huge electrolytic capacitor. Just some nice, small axial and through hole components.

                  Time to build it.

                  Last edited by dvallis; 04-28-2017, 10:10 PM.
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                    Information overload. Good stuff, man.

                    Just curious, what do you do for your normal day job?
                    P.O.S 1989 325is - aka Project Sh*tbox

                    Project Shitbox - Restomod and other stuff - soon to be 328is

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                      Computer & Electrical engineer. I live this stuff. :devil:
                      "And then we broke the car. Again." Mark Donohue, "The Unfair Advantage"

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                        Massive Lee talked me into getting real brakes.

                        Calipers are Wilwood forged superlite 3.5" lug mount, 4 x 1.625" pistons front (MPN 120-11133), 4 x 1.25" pistons rear (MPN 120-11127). Piston size will give proper front-rear starting brake balance, and can be adjusted further by master cylinder size.

                        Rotors are enormous compared to stock. Hawk DTC vented slotted directional 11.75" x 1.25" front and rear.(MPN HR8000R x2, HR8000L x2) Primary advantage is large thermal mass to avoid heat soak on the track. Vents also pump air into the rotor, especially in back where there is not much air flow.

                        Pads are Wilwood type 7420 poly compound A (MPN 15A-5938K), working temperature 100 to 1300F. In their optimal 300 - 800F range, these things bite with a mu of almost 0.70! Above 800F they drop down to 0.65. Still very good.

                        All this stuff showed up from Summit today. Wow. In person it is ........ large. Waiting for Lee's bits and pieces to arrive.



                        150-8854K BP-10, 4.74" x 2.43". Narrow range
                        150-9416K BP-20, 4.74" x 2.43". Narrow range
                        15A-5938K POLY-A, 4.74" x 2.43". $160 Better braking at low temps
                        15B-5939K POLY-B, 4.74" x 2.43". $130 but narrow working range
                        15C-6853K POLY-C, 4.74" x 2.43". Not available ?
                        15E-6084K POLY-E, 4.74" x 2.43". $100 but narrow working range
                        15H-8114K POLY-H, 4.74" x 2.43". $200 Most even across range

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                          I like it :devil:

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                            Originally posted by dvallis View Post

                            Just read through this whole thread and thing is gonna be awesome!!!!!

                            What would the coeficient of friction be for regular stock/street pads? I guess since the rotors are also a bigger diameter there is more leverage and should have some crazy stopping power!!!

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                              I read the whole thread in reverse. Watching an awesome car get undone was kind of fun :D

                              I need to figure out how many Austin people are on here, because I almost never see E30's around town.

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                                Originally posted by Elysian View Post
                                I read the whole thread in reverse. Watching an awesome car get undone was kind of fun :D

                                I need to figure out how many Austin people are on here, because I almost never see E30's around town.
                                there is a fair amount. i see a couple a day driving around the south side. bmw cca chapter out here is pretty active they do meets and drives.
                                i love bmws

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