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  • AWDBOB
    R3V Elite
    • Aug 2013
    • 4371

    #1

    M20 - New Head, Low Power

    So,

    After a long long time, I have finally come to the M20 section for your thoughts.

    Last year I installed a Bimmerheads cylinder head with a 280/274 regrind, HD rockers, etc with ARP studs and a lightly ported intake manifold in hopes to pep the car up a bit.

    There was no reason behind this repair, the car ran perfectly fine beforehand.

    The problem that has caused me to lose all interest in the car, is that simply, after the swap, the car has no balls. Runs fine, compression is fine, starts fine, idle is a hair choppy bit figured that was normal for the cam.

    Everything was replaced with fresh stuff. Plugs, timing verified several times, etc. This isn't my first rodeo, checked for vacuum leaks, etc. Install went very smooth.

    The car is still crazy down on power and I have no idea why. It feels like its under load all the time. Just to accelerate normally you have to really put your foot in it. But it's not slow enough to say "there is something very badly wrong".........there's just enough to notice, "I don't think something is right".

    Only other mods are magnaflow catback and an SSSquid chip.

    If the HG didn't seat properly (despite good compression) could that cause it to be just barely down on power?

    Intake manifold runners being ported causing improper fuel atomization?

    I put the car away because I was kind of sick of it. And I want to fix it, because it is a very nice car.

    Anyway, if you guys have any thoughts, let me know.




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  • e30sh
    Mod Crazy
    • Apr 2015
    • 618

    #2
    Any chance you skipped a tooth on the cam timing? Leak down / compression test #'s?

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    • nrubenstein
      No R3VLimiter
      • Feb 2009
      • 3148

      #3
      Have you put it on a dyno?
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      • digger
        R3V Elite
        • Nov 2005
        • 5912

        #4
        When you say you check cam timing what exactly do you mean ?

        Is the tune you running optimised for your engine?

        What are the compression numbers ?
        89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

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        • AWDBOB
          R3V Elite
          • Aug 2013
          • 4371

          #5
          Originally posted by e30sh
          Any chance you skipped a tooth on the cam timing? Leak down / compression test #'s?
          There is a chance. I've pulled it back apart to check, but just for good measure (and my sanity) I think I will do so again. I have done so many timing belts that I don't foresee it being an issue, but we all have those days.

          I haven't done a leak down yet, comp was right around 157-160ish for all 6 with a very tight grouping.

          Originally posted by nrubenstein
          Have you put it on a dyno?
          Not yet, was curious about this myself.

          Originally posted by digger
          When you say you check cam timing what exactly do you mean ?

          Is the tune you running optimised for your engine?

          What are the compression numbers ?
          By cam timing I mean my timing belt, crank/cam lining up. What I wanted to do but still haven't was to degree the cam in.

          The tune is optimized for the build! Through SSSquid who hasn't done me wrong yet.

          Compression was right around 157-160ish across the board with a tight grouping.
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          • digger
            R3V Elite
            • Nov 2005
            • 5912

            #6
            Could just be a little too much cam for compression which tends to make it feel a little flat and doughy. A run on a Dynojet will tell you where you stand. My guess is it would wake a a little better with a cam gear and some advance
            89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

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            • ak-
              R3V OG
              • May 2009
              • 12422

              #7
              Clogged cat? Stretched out throttle cable? ECU and/or chip fiddling? Haha, hope it's not mechanical - good luck.

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              • packratbimmer
                E30 Fanatic
                • Dec 2009
                • 1329

                #8
                The iX needs torque to spin up all of the additional load of the AWD. All of the modifications you mentioned could be adding to high end horsepower and subtracting from low end torque.

                Does it run stronger after you get it wound up, say after 4,250 RPM?

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                • AWDBOB
                  R3V Elite
                  • Aug 2013
                  • 4371

                  #9
                  Originally posted by digger
                  Could just be a little too much cam for compression which tends to make it feel a little flat and doughy. A run on a Dynojet will tell you where you stand. My guess is it would wake a a little better with a cam gear and some advance
                  Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. I'm going to throw it on a dynojet with a cam gear and see where I stand.

                  Originally posted by ak-
                  Clogged cat? Stretched out throttle cable? ECU and/or chip fiddling? Haha, hope it's not mechanical - good luck.
                  Checked clogged cat.

                  Throttle cable I did not consider, but I surely will. Smart thinking.

                  It's a normal 93oct sssquid chip that ran great before, but it took like 6 chips to get one that worked which was odd. I've use them in every e30/e34 I've owned without issue.

                  I hope it's not mechanical too, we shall see. Thanks for your input, man.

                  Originally posted by packratbimmer
                  The iX needs torque to spin up all of the additional load of the AWD. All of the modifications you mentioned could be adding to high end horsepower and subtracting from low end torque.

                  Does it run stronger after you get it wound up, say after 4,250 RPM?
                  I've had quite a few vehicles with a LOT of cam, and this doesn't feel like that. It feels like it's trying to pull more weight all of the way through the powerband- it's slouchy and unresponsive, comparatively speaking to the stock automatic iX I used to own. It winds up but never releases (just the tip).

                  I have half the mind to put a stock cam and intake back in it and see where that gets me. I'll probably accidentally solve the actual problem along the way.
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                  • digger
                    R3V Elite
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 5912

                    #10
                    Originally posted by AWDBOB

                    It's a normal 93oct sssquid chip that ran great before, but it took like 6 chips to get one that worked which was odd. I've use them in every e30/e34 I've owned without issue.
                    what do you mean by worked? the car wouldnt start with the first 5? what was different abut the current chip to get it to work?
                    89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

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                    • AWDBOB
                      R3V Elite
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 4371

                      #11
                      Originally posted by digger
                      what do you mean by worked? the car wouldnt start with the first 5? what was different abut the current chip to get it to work?
                      Correct. The first many the car would just crank with no fire. I never asked what was different about the one that ended up working. But- the car ran great on that chip before I did the head work.
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                      • AWDBOB
                        R3V Elite
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 4371

                        #12
                        Hey gents-

                        I finally tore the car out of storage after almost two years and got diagnosing.

                        First note, AK- you are a genius.

                        My throttle cable was EXTREMELY sloppy. Tightened it up and the difference was night and day. Car feels more responsive (now that the TB is actually opening all of the way)

                        BUT

                        I still have my hesitation off idle and it's still missing here and there- something's just not right. But it runs way too good for it to be off a tooth of timing (I think).

                        Check these plugs out. One side of the plug was wet on a couple cylinders and the other side dry, I'm thinking the injectors (which I got used, not rebuilt off of ebay) aren't spraying evenly.

                        No vacuum leaks, I've gone over everything else.

                        Your thoughts?

                        Very odd:

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                        • bmwstudent
                          E30 Fanatic
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 1364

                          #13
                          1 and 5 look wet, are they?
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                          • AWDBOB
                            R3V Elite
                            • Aug 2013
                            • 4371

                            #14
                            Originally posted by bmwstudent
                            1 and 5 look wet, are they?
                            Yes sir they are! I rechecked compression tonight when I had them out too and they were right where they were at before.

                            Which is why I was thinking injectors.
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                            • LJ851
                              R3V OG
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 7918

                              #15
                              Have you tried a new set of plugs? Most fuel wet plugs are fouled.
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