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    M42 high idle after throttle body heater delete

    I purchased all new hoses and after completion of the throttle body heater delete, the engine idles at around 1500rpm and slowly creeps up to 2000 rpm where it stays. It takes about 3 minutes or so for it to get there from a cold start only.

    Here is the troubleshooting I have done so far:

    1: replaced idle control valve with known working one. no change in rpms.
    2: replaced MAF with a known working one. no change in rpms.
    3: all new hoses and throttle body boot.
    4: throttle cable checked for being stuck.
    5: used ether to detect vacuum leak, no luck.
    6: new throttle body and intake manifold gaskets.
    7: fuel pressure regulator hose is secure
    8: coolant temp sensor tested to be working with in resistance parameters
    9: engine sputtered when fpr hose unplugged, seems to be working

    Below is the routing of my vacuum lines after the delete.
    I have a hose from the valve cover to the bottom of the intake manifold.
    There is a hose from the throttle body boot to the idle control valve.

    I am out of ideas. PLEASE HELP!! I will update the list above as I continue to trouble shoot. Thanks guys!!







    Last edited by and_e30; 12-13-2014, 07:22 AM.
    1991 E30 318is - Project car
    1995 E36 M3 - Impulse buy
    1998 E36 M3 - Weekend car
    2002 E46 325i - Daily
    --------------
    1991 E30 325i - Sold
    2003 E39 540i Msport - Sold

    #2
    Check under the new boot. Most new ones don't come with the plug close to the throttle body, causing a huge leak.

    -NICK

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      #3
      Originally posted by Balleristic31 View Post
      Check under the new boot. Most new ones don't come with the plug close to the throttle body, causing a huge leak.
      yeah, i did check that. my new boot did come with a plug.
      1991 E30 318is - Project car
      1995 E36 M3 - Impulse buy
      1998 E36 M3 - Weekend car
      2002 E46 325i - Daily
      --------------
      1991 E30 325i - Sold
      2003 E39 540i Msport - Sold

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        #4
        The breather hose running to the valve cover, is it clogged?

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          #5
          Originally posted by E30NJ View Post
          The breather hose running to the valve cover, is it clogged?
          Nope. Brand new hose.
          1991 E30 318is - Project car
          1995 E36 M3 - Impulse buy
          1998 E36 M3 - Weekend car
          2002 E46 325i - Daily
          --------------
          1991 E30 325i - Sold
          2003 E39 540i Msport - Sold

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            #6
            can anyone else who did the heater delete confirm the routing of the vacuum lines?
            1991 E30 318is - Project car
            1995 E36 M3 - Impulse buy
            1998 E36 M3 - Weekend car
            2002 E46 325i - Daily
            --------------
            1991 E30 325i - Sold
            2003 E39 540i Msport - Sold

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              #7
              What I can see of the hose routing looks OK, but I can't see the vacuum line to the FPR. Is the throttle plate closing completely? Interesting (to me) to see the throttle cable clip and cooling system heater bypass valve recalls still installed. I must have done a hundred of those cooling system recalls back in the day--that was the first thing I removed from my '91 when I got it in '05.

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                #8
                New throttle body gasket? New intake manifold gasket?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by uturn View Post
                  New throttle body gasket? New intake manifold gasket?
                  yes, all new gaskets all around. i forgot to add that to the list above.
                  1991 E30 318is - Project car
                  1995 E36 M3 - Impulse buy
                  1998 E36 M3 - Weekend car
                  2002 E46 325i - Daily
                  --------------
                  1991 E30 325i - Sold
                  2003 E39 540i Msport - Sold

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Chuck C View Post
                    What I can see of the hose routing looks OK, but I can't see the vacuum line to the FPR. Is the throttle plate closing completely? Interesting (to me) to see the throttle cable clip and cooling system heater bypass valve recalls still installed. I must have done a hundred of those cooling system recalls back in the day--that was the first thing I removed from my '91 when I got it in '05.
                    I did look for the vacuum line to the FPR, it is hard to get a pic of that. Everything looks ok there. Yes, the throttle plat is closing completely. I manually moved it back and forth to the limits. I am unaware of the recall on the throttle cable clip and cooling system heater bypass valve, where can I find info on those so I can do them?

                    I think today I am going to take the manifold and throttle body off to give everything a once over again. I will take some more pictures.

                    I also did a coolant flush at the same time as the heater delete, do you think this may be the result of that? I have probably put 100 miles on the car since and no overheating however.
                    Last edited by and_e30; 12-08-2014, 07:12 AM.
                    1991 E30 318is - Project car
                    1995 E36 M3 - Impulse buy
                    1998 E36 M3 - Weekend car
                    2002 E46 325i - Daily
                    --------------
                    1991 E30 325i - Sold
                    2003 E39 540i Msport - Sold

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                      #11
                      I don't think this would make a difference for your symptoms but...see that connector in the top right of your first picture (small connector with the two white/grey wires coming out of your harness near the fire wall), unplug it. It should only be plugged in for 318i/is models without a cat. Notorious for causing idle and warm restart issues. Maybe it's an issue here?
                      1990 325i: slippery slope from DD/DE car to SE30/ITS
                      1991 318is: raw DD
                      2004 330i zhp: civilized daily driver

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                        #12
                        I took everything off down to the intake manifold. checked over all the hoses and connections. everything seems to be in working order. I reassembled and the issue still exists.

                        Here are some pics. Maybe you can spot something that looks out of place.









                        1991 E30 318is - Project car
                        1995 E36 M3 - Impulse buy
                        1998 E36 M3 - Weekend car
                        2002 E46 325i - Daily
                        --------------
                        1991 E30 325i - Sold
                        2003 E39 540i Msport - Sold

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Boris3 View Post
                          I don't think this would make a difference for your symptoms but...see that connector in the top right of your first picture (small connector with the two white/grey wires coming out of your harness near the fire wall), unplug it. It should only be plugged in for 318i/is models without a cat. Notorious for causing idle and warm restart issues. Maybe it's an issue here?
                          i unplugged it and started it up. didn't seem to change anything.

                          i plugged it back in while running and no rpm change.
                          1991 E30 318is - Project car
                          1995 E36 M3 - Impulse buy
                          1998 E36 M3 - Weekend car
                          2002 E46 325i - Daily
                          --------------
                          1991 E30 325i - Sold
                          2003 E39 540i Msport - Sold

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                            #14
                            when i start it from cold, it starts out at about 1500rpm and eventually creeps up to 2000 where it maintains.

                            maybe this could be a thermostat issue?
                            1991 E30 318is - Project car
                            1995 E36 M3 - Impulse buy
                            1998 E36 M3 - Weekend car
                            2002 E46 325i - Daily
                            --------------
                            1991 E30 325i - Sold
                            2003 E39 540i Msport - Sold

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                              #15
                              or coolant temp sensor (blue one)? Turn the car off and check is plug tight? Maybe unplug and replug, and/or unplug, spray with contact cleaner let dry and replug and see.
                              1990 325i: slippery slope from DD/DE car to SE30/ITS
                              1991 318is: raw DD
                              2004 330i zhp: civilized daily driver

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