Camber Plates: Vorshlag vs GC

[Fair!]

vorshlag camber plates. they will work with stock strut housing?

i mean, you could pair this up with Koni SA's and IE3s without changing perches or needing spring pads?

Yes, we have plates on OEM style springs as well as coilovers. We make the perches specific to the strut shaft style/diameters and spring size you are running for a close tolerance fit and noise-free use.


Left: OEM spring perches on Koni strut. Right: 60mm coilover perches on Koni strut. Shown with E36 parts but E30 are similar.

If you go to our website we make it easy to order... just pick the strut you have, the springs you are using, etc. Its all in the options drop downs.

http://www.vorshlag.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_17_35&products_id=29

[submwar]

vorshlag camber plates. they will work with stock strut housing?

i mean, you could pair this up with Koni SA's and IE3s without changing perches or needing spring pads?

[CorvallisBMW]

As an FYI, I just had my alignment done with H&R Sports f/r, and the Vorschlag kit installed. At the maximum positive camber settings, I was able to just barely get within factory specs. At full negative, well,

[Van Westervelt]

very good info in here

[nando]

honestly - save your money and buy the good stuff. just looking at those, you can see they have a HUGE amount of stack height. who knows what kind of bearings they use either. they aren't even significantly cheaper...

[JGood]

What do you think of these plates?

http://www.carrindustries.com/catalog/new-bmw-adjustable-camber-plate-kit-from-ruff-performance.htm

I guess they are lacking caster adjustment, but overall, would you say it's a decent product? This would be for a budget HPDE'er/autox'er who just needs some additional neg camber to preserve expensive r-comps (I'm only wearing the outside 1" of the tires). But I don't want to buy junk that may break or wear out quickly.

[Fair!]

Great design. It would be great if this design (flat surface) was used on e30 camber plates to allow full camber and caster settings to be used.

Yes, we've heard this request from about two or three E30 racers. We would need to completely redesign our E30 plates from the ground up to work this way, and the cost would go from our current $275 price to the $339 price of our E36 (shown above) or E46 versions - plus perches. As I've mentioned elsewhere, we've seen much more price sensitivity in the E30 market and something like the E36 design above would only appeal to a very very small segment of the E30 world. Since it wouldn't make sense to stock both versions we'd very likely lose more customers than the handful we'd gain.

edit: the E30 already has limited suspension travel up front, so adding stack-up height to the camber plates is an especially bad idea on these cars.

Still, there's more to it than pricing pressure - we race an E30 ourselves and if we thought these cars needed a hair more camber at the expense of stack-up and design time and a higher cost, we'd do it. But the testing we've done seems to prove out that the camber limits of the current design work well for 90-95% of E30 racers out there. To sell another 2 sets of plates a year and raise the prices of all of our E30 plates to justify it? We just don't think that would work for our customers.

Sorry for the tangent. Just trying to explain why we make the E30 plates the way we do...


Our 1991 318is autocrosser and track rat... with -4° up front using off the shelf Vorshlag plates. How much more do you need?!

[Massive Lee]

It would indeed be at the expense of some stack height. No more than 1/4" extra if using steel or stainless. But it would be so much more practical. Wait two months to see my interation. Still trying to solve other common problems. But that's just another project that might never make it to the end. Got boxes full of projects...

[JGood]

Great design. It would be great if this design (flat surface) was used on e30 camber plates to allow full camber and caster settings to be used.

I guess that would be at the expense of the stack height? I think I'd rather be a bit higher and have the extra room to move around...

[Massive Lee]

Great design. It would be great if this design (flat surface) was used on e30 camber plates to allow full camber and caster settings to be used.

[Hick]

vorshlag +1

They have been on my DD/autocrosser since this past spring without any problems. They were almost too pretty to put on the car :)

[Erick]

Great info on this thread.

[diegom6]

Extremely BAD idea. Don't go whittling on the plates. Every time some customer thinks they know more about our designs and starts hacking away at them they end up with a paperweight. :D There's more variables at play than you might think.

And you need MORE caster? Our E30 with our plates has 9 degrees of positive caster. That's insanely positive. And CAMBER is what makes a BMW faster on a road course. Caster is great for stability and dynamic camber, but static negative camber trumps every other specification in a BMW front suspension. By a huge amount.

Camber, camber, camber.

My camber it's set to about 2.3 degrees or so, I don't need more than that for street driving. I had about 4 degrees of caster wich sucked big time for stability and handling.

I do have a 5lug swapp using e36 stuff, but I also added 97 + M3 control arms and CAB's to help my caster get back to "normal" specs, but all I got was 4 degrees. Then I drilled and trimmed the CAB's "arm" making it closer to the frame, therefore giving some milimeters of caster more. Then I added your plates and all I have is 6 degrees now. There are few guys over here runing 8-9 degrees of caster with similar setup as mine (e36 suspension swap) and I don't know how they did get those numbers.

I do have this plates for coil over of corse and Konis sports. The sway bars are stock tho, but I changed the the sway bar link position, just like the E30 M3, the big rod link attached to the strut housing instead of the control arm wich comes in stock e30's non M.

[Fair!]

Terry,

could you tell me if it's a BAD idea to remove some material of the plate to allow more caster for my bimma? Seems that I need more caster. Those allen bolts in the top, a pair of them moved tot he other "spare" thread and seems that I have some room to move the top plate forward to increase the caster but in the bottom, that collar welded with hex bolts are maxed out for caster gain.

thanks,

-Diego

Extremely BAD idea. Don't go whittling on the plates. Every time some customer thinks they know more about our designs and starts hacking away at them they end up with a paperweight. :D There's more variables at play than you might think.

And you need MORE caster? Our E30 with our plates has 9 degrees of positive caster. That's insanely positive. And CAMBER is what makes a BMW faster on a road course. Caster is great for stability and dynamic camber, but static negative camber trumps every other specification in a BMW front suspension. By a huge amount.

Camber, camber, camber.

[diegom6]

Terry,

could you tell me if it's a BAD idea to remove some material of the plate to allow more caster for my bimma? Seems that I need more caster. Those allen bolts in the top, a pair of them moved tot he other "spare" thread and seems that I have some room to move the top plate forward to increase the caster but in the bottom, that collar welded with hex bolts are maxed out for caster gain.

thanks,

-Diego