Help covince my friend to get a E30!

[kowalski]

tell him to test drive both, and tell him to get whichever one he likes more, and feels more comfortable in. i dont think anyones mad, they are just saying we can't force him to love E30's either he likes it or he doesn't, and he has to make that choice for himself. you can't convince an enthusiest to be an enthusiest.

[Borat]

Um, did you say what he wants the car for? Is it just to get from A to B or is he the sort of person he will give it a decent run once a while? Does he like straight line speed or corners? If its just to get around the honda would probably be the better bet. However if he will give it a bit of stick then get him to drive both and see which he prefers?

[Ziggens96]

Noob E30 Enthusiast = Thinks E30´s are best and that they were designed to be sport orientated when new and with cheap mods that they will be the baddest thing around the block 4ever, also thinks fwd sucks, also thinks 4wd cars MUST understeer no matter what, drives an E30 because it´s cheap and they REALLY can´t afford anything better at the moment, said enthusiast will buy space wagons as soon as they are married and have kids.

Real E30 enthusiast = Knows that in the 80´s BMW´s where made for snobbs,every single model, 318i M10´s where only to get people into BMW´s for later snobbyness, E30´s handle very badly with stock suspension compared to NEW cars , it´s not until you have swapped shocks and springs the E30 begins to "shine" . Also the real E30 enthusiast has the E30 for the long term and not short term and doesn´t tune the E30 for the WIN in every aspect,..

This is probably directed at me. I realize and agree with everything you said, except I do believe that FWD truly does suck after a certain point. With low powered FWD cars, the merits of RWD cannot be realized, and FWD isn't so bad. Also, the E30 M3 was, is, and always will be a true enthusiast's car, though not EVERYBODY who drives one is an enthusiast. At least today, most people who still have them are indeed enthusiasts.

I paid $3600 for my 318is; I could have afforded something a little more expensive. However, even if I had 10 grand to spend on a car, I would have bought the exact same one. I'm keeping this car as long as I can; I will at least make it a track rat someday.

[hamann318is]

I'm not sure if this is what you're implying, but I don't think at all that BMWs are always superior. I like a wide variety of cars, in fact some of my very favorites are the S2000, NSX, and the RX-7. I bought my 318is because it is basically the most fun to drive car I could find for the money, and it is a very complete car in terms of sportiness, not because it is a BMW.

I'm talking more about the E36 cats. They are very annoying in general. I think I'm no better off based on what I drive; it's another story for most other BMW owners.

Most E30 owners realize that this is a euro beater that's fun to drive. I usually don't have a problem with them. Once you start moving up in the BMW line to newer models, people's mindset changes. People buy them more for the badge. Say what you will about car companies, but most people consider driving a chore. BMWs are no different.

Oh well, I like my friends '88 Accord. It's a very fun, very run-of-the-mill little car.

[Digitalwave]

I'm not sure if this is what you're implying, but I don't think at all that BMWs are always superior. I like a wide variety of cars, in fact some of my very favorites are the S2000, NSX, and the RX-7. I bought my 318is because it is basically the most fun to drive car I could find for the money, and it is a very complete car in terms of sportiness, not because it is a BMW.

Run-of-the-mill Hondas are boring, numb cars that are designed for people who believe driving to be a chore. It bothers me that people try to turn them into something they are not. Besides, a large number of people who mod Hondas just want a "hot car mang." Many of them are not enthusiasts, they just think of the car as a status symbol.

Anyway, I'm not saying that the car you drive determines whether or not you are a true enthusiast; I'm saying that certain cars are designed more for enthusiasts than others are, and some cars do not have the "complete package."

I think more E30 driver's think of their car as more of a status than people who mod their Hondas. It's sickening how many people that own E30's think they are superior to other generic cars just because they are BMW's. Most of you who are saying that Hondas suck probably have never driven or ridden in an equally modded Honda. I think stock for stock an E30 vs. a Civic, the E30 wins but not by much.

Stock E30's are soft, numb, and a bit quicker (but also heavier) than a Civic. Throw a lot of mods at each and a Civic will still hold it's own. My friend has a 93' Civic SI hatch that has an ITR swap with bolt ons, gutted, full cage, Tein coil overs, and it will absolutely rape my car straight line, autocross, road course, whatever. It will even throttle steer, and he did a legit drift in it when he took me for a ride. The kicker is: he spent less on it than I have on my car, and his is much more reliable and cheaper to fix.

[gstuning]

This is probably directed at me. I realize and agree with everything you said, except I do believe that FWD truly does suck after a certain point. With low powered FWD cars, the merits of RWD cannot be realized, and FWD isn't so bad. Also, the E30 M3 was, is, and always will be a true enthusiast's car, though not EVERYBODY who drives one is an enthusiast. At least today, most people who still have them are indeed enthusiasts.

I paid $3600 for my 318is; I could have afforded something a little more expensive. However, even if I had 10 grand to spend on a car, I would have bought the exact same one. I'm keeping this car as long as I can; I will at least make it a track rat someday.

Sorry it wasn´t directed at anyone perticular,
Those are just my statements about how the E30 crowd is separated

[Ziggens96]

It's sickening how many people that own E30's think they are superior to other generic cars just because they are BMW's.

Usually the people that think this way buy E36s. The reason anybody owns a particular car is because they believe it is superior, and for that person, the virtues of the car outweigh the vices. Every car has its highs and lows. For me, I don't like civics because they do not provide a complete (sporting) package. I would have to spend a lot of money to get it where I want it to be. For example, the stock seats would have to go...I really appreciate a nice seat. In the long run, this would also include a RWD swap. (I saw a RWD Integra competing in a drift event, that car was BADASS.)

Throw a lot of mods at each and a Civic will still hold it's own.

I don't doubt this...it sounds like your friend has nice tasteful mods. Most Civics do not. My tastes favor the old school Euro flavor; E30s are simply very charming cars.

[motorprestige]

I think more E30 driver's think of their car as more of a status than people who mod their Hondas. It's sickening how many people that own E30's think they are superior to other generic cars just because they are BMW's. Most of you who are saying that Hondas suck probably have never driven or ridden in an equally modded Honda. I think stock for stock an E30 vs. a Civic, the E30 wins but not by much.

Stock E30's are soft, numb, and a bit quicker (but also heavier) than a Civic. Throw a lot of mods at each and a Civic will still hold it's own. My friend has a 93' Civic SI hatch that has an ITR swap with bolt ons, gutted, full cage, Tein coil overs, and it will absolutely rape my car straight line, autocross, road course, whatever. It will even throttle steer, and he did a legit drift in it when he took me for a ride. The kicker is: he spent less on it than I have on my car, and his is much more reliable and cheaper to fix.

Sounds like tj is an ex honda camper, they have potential.