Anyone think this is a real Alpina?

[Mauiwowi]

30K

[nando]

OK. Based on the original post and you staring at e30s, what evidence is it that it 99% (up from your earlier 'guess' of 90%) chance of being a fake. Why is it fake when it could easily be, say, a genuine B6 which was stripped of it Alpina bits by a previous owner or stolen recovered or whatever? just asking.

Also I make no comment on the value or aesthetics. It seems way overpriced to me even if it was genuine. If it is a fake, I'd suggest the fraud would be the misrepresentation of the ID of the car, with a purported VIN.

A) it's plastered in stickers, most of which aren't alpina
B) where's the alpina motor? S54 swap is a $10k job, not a $30k job.
C) it's filled with tons of generic ebay junk parts (pedals, gauges, etc)
D) it's in the USA, where the # of true alpina cars is tiny, and they only made a couple hundred of this model
E) you can buy fake alpina stickers and parts anywhere, and VINs plaques are easy to fake and swap (let's see a VIN sticker on the fender, hood, door jamb, or cowel)
F) cheap fiberglass bodykit. where's the alpina spoiler and airdam?
G) where's the alpina interior? cheap ugly blue ricer ebay seats? no carpet? no alpina wheels? fake alpina logos everywhere (door cards, interior, wheels, etc)
H) We've seen tons of fake alpina cars, and they all seem to follow the same trademarks (stickers, cheap parts, fake body kits, fake decals/name plates, , maybe 2 real parts, etc)

if you think it's real, I've got a bridge to sell you.

[reelizmpro]

Well if my boy Saliya owned it...chances are it is the real deal.

From the S14.net post...


In it's original trim, it looks legit. Saliya sold it in 2003, it made it's way out East and apparently people have been bastardizing it ever since. Probably sold the alpina stuff cuz they didn't like it or damaged it and went with cheesy replacements. Like I said...it's a damn shame.

I noticed the pin striping is different but could have been changed.

It was removed here and wheels changed to reps.


Obviously, one of the owners didn't care much for Alpina, if we are indeed looking at the same car.

[e34croak]

Definitely.

[flyboyx]

You do understand I am not saying it is real or fake [although if it is not real, as it stands you could argue it is a fraud]. I agree with what you say, however, it could have been lots of things. Without evidence it's just guessing. It is all easy to just call it a fake without supporting it with a bit of reasoned argument. All I did was google the VIN and provide a bit more information. After all if it falls over on the VIN, it would not stand a hope.

BTW I thought e30m3s54turbo's post was one of the few useful posts in the thread.

Your blank Alpina VIN plate, what plans do you have for it? Do you plan building a 'fake' :cough: :cough: fraud? j/k





Maybe others should have before guessing :)

why do you have the need to be so argumentative? i would begin jumping to the conclusion that you are defending your own shitbox or perhaps the seller is one of your buddies here in the states. the simple fact is that the car is crap. even if you discount everything i have said as worthless, nando knows what he is talking about too.

now why would i post all over this forum that i have unused alpina vin plates if i was planning to commit fraud in any way? just read my thread. my plans are clearly stated there.

maybe you should take up knitting?

[mikeedler]

OK. Based on the original post and you staring at e30s, what evidence is it that it 99% (up from your earlier 'guess' of 90%) chance of being a fake. Why is it fake when it could easily be, say, a genuine B6 which was stripped of it Alpina bits by a previous owner or stolen recovered or whatever? just asking.

If you would do your research, there is a picture of that car from the rear floating around somewhere and it has a U.S. rear tailpan on it, the shape and extra holes give it away.
It's a u.s. car with an alpina title at most.

It all really doesn't matter, it is not worth anything as an alpina anymore anyway.

[delatlanta1281]

If you would do your research, there is a picture of that car from the rear floating around somewhere and it has a U.S. rear tailpan on it, the shape and extra holes give it away.
It's a u.s. car with an alpina title at most.

It all really doesn't matter, it is not worth anything as an alpina anymore anyway.

Bingo. The pic is in the thread I started posted above.

[nando]

Well if my boy Saliya owned it...chances are it is the real deal.

From the S14.net post...


In it's original trim, it looks legit. Saliya sold it in 2003, it made it's way out East and apparently people have been bastardizing it ever since. Probably sold the alpina stuff cuz they didn't like it or damaged it and went with cheesy replacements. Like I said...it's a damn shame.

I noticed the pin striping is different but could have been changed.

It was removed here and wheels changed to reps.


Obviously, one of the owners didn't care much for Alpina, if we are indeed looking at the same car.

if it has any connection at all, chances are that real car was parted out and the vin plaque stolen and transfered to a USA market chassis.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Not a Vlad deal.

[Bimmerguy91]

If it was a real alpina it's not anymore lol. But I bet that car is fun with an s54. I should go drive it for the hell of it since im only 30 min away

[reelizmpro]

For the sake of conversation...it's been brought up that this car has US bumper holes. Can we confirm that euro cars didn't have them? I've seen plenty of US spec bumpers on federalized euro cars such as Baur's, etc. So I'm curious.

[ethirtydavid]

here is another bumper shot, taken back in 2003 when this car was packed full of factory alpina parts.

same car. more pictures here: http://euromcars.com/cars/85alpb6/

[TrentW]

And how long will this thread drag on?

[M-technik-3]

That car has long history of trying to be passed off as an Alpina yet it had us spec bumper mounts.
All the cars i owned while in germany and in subsequent years of pulling parts i have never seen a set of us bumper holes. We've said it before it had a great list of parts.

[JamesE30]

Looks like an awesome car.. Not sure why everyone is hating on it so much??
Just needs new bumpers and you've got yourself an amazing track car..