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    #46
    People who care about cars, own e30s and have posts outside of P&R ;)

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      #47
      Originally posted by CorvallisBMW View Post
      Not surprised. In fact I'll be disappointed if not every major magazine agrees.
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        #48
        Like it or hate it - the Prius was a game changer when it came to gas/electric hybrids. It is still considered the hybrid of choice despite various newcomers.

        The Tesla S is another game changer. As the tech improves and becomes more affordable this particular car will be surpassed. But as of now it is the benchmark.

        Jon
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        1991 325i - sold :(
        2004 2WD Frontier King Cab

        RIP #17 Jules Bianchi

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          #49
          mrsleeve is nay saying again? lol.

          im really excited about the future of the automobile industry. i can only speculate where cars will be in 10 years. we live in exhilarating times.
          AWD > RWD

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            #50
            Electric cars will become more and more popular as oil become more scarce and renewable energy like wind and solar is improved and more widely used. It's just a matter of time.
            Zinno '89 <24v swap in progress>

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              #51
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              Oil is far from scarce, and it wont become an issue until most of us on this forum are fighting our kids to keep our drivers Licensees. If not our kids fighting our grand kids, when we see oil fade from a Primary fuel source
              Originally posted by Fusion
              If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
              The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


              The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

              Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
              William Pitt-

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                #52
                Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
                ^
                Oil is far from scarce, and it wont become an issue until most of us on this forum are fighting our kids to keep our drivers Licensees. If not our kids fighting our grand kids, when we see oil fade from a Primary fuel source
                Well, scarce or not it's relative. There might be plenty of oil in the earth, but is it in places we can get it from? How about the exponential population growth using more and more oil as we grow, and with countries like china where more and more people that didin't have cars now driving?
                Even if it's not scarce in the strict sense, it can have not enough supply to meet demand.
                As technology improves, batteries in particular, there will be more electric cars, they will be more affordable, and you'll see more of them on the road.
                It may happen sooner than you think.
                Zinno '89 <24v swap in progress>

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                  #53
                  put the peak oil theory down. Its bunk, as it discounts the better tech and improved drilling and recovery methods that have been are being developed along with economics to allow for the development of those things. We have vast untapped reserves all over the world some of which are right here in the US. Also much of these new methods can be used to rework old abandoned fields. We will have plenty of oil for decades.

                  I am not fan of the electrics or hybrids, they dont suit my life style, if they do yours then by all means.

                  You are aware the electric car was on a parallel development track as the ICE, a 100 years ago and still suffer the same problems today as they did back then, BATTERIES.
                  Originally posted by Fusion
                  If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                  The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                  The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                  Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                  William Pitt-

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
                    put the peak oil theory down. Its bunk, as it discounts the better tech and improved drilling and recovery methods that have been are being developed along with economics to allow for the development of those things. We have vast untapped reserves all over the world some of which are right here in the US. Also much of these new methods can be used to rework old abandoned fields. We will have plenty of oil for decades.

                    I am not fan of the electrics or hybrids, they dont suit my life style, if they do yours then by all means.

                    You are aware the electric car was on a parallel development track as the ICE, a 100 years ago and still suffer the same problems today as they did back then, BATTERIES.
                    Oh trust me, I'm not a "fan" of electric cars for myself at all and the same probably goes for most car enthusiasts, especially classic car enthusiasts.
                    I hope your right about oil, but that's not what i've read about it.
                    And about batteries, yes they are a problem now, but you would be crazy to say that won't change, especially when there's such high demand for improved battery technology in everything from cell phones to cars now. Even in just the past decade batteries have improved drastically.
                    Zinno '89 <24v swap in progress>

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                      #55
                      Give me a nuclear powered car.....and then a Prius would crash into it...

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                        #56
                        better batteries are not that far away

                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanobatteries
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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Massimo View Post
                          better batteries are not that far away

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanobatteries
                          The Tesla S is about the same size and price as an F10 M5. it weighs in at about 4550 lbs vs. the 4350 lbs. of the M5. Their acceleration is comparable but handling of the Tesla is far superior due to the lower center of gravity that can only be achieved by putting the batteries at the bottom. Not only that, the Tesla S is one of the safest cars on the road with regards to crash tests. Now explain to me why battery technology isn't already amazing? Is 300 miles on a single charge not good enough for 95% of us?
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                            #58
                            Originally posted by herbivor View Post
                            Now explain to me why battery technology isn't already amazing? Is 300 miles on a single charge not good enough for 95% of us?
                            That. And also the time it takes to recharge. And the price of the tesla is way above what the average american can afford, so right now it's a novelty for the rich, just like the m5 is.
                            Zinno '89 <24v swap in progress>

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                              #59
                              its the several hour recharge time thats the biggest hang up
                              Originally posted by Fusion
                              If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                              The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                              The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                              Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                              William Pitt-

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by herbivor View Post
                                Is 300 miles on a single charge not good enough for 95% of us?
                                Its not the milage it is the recharge time. I don't want to drive to work then drive home. Then have to go out somewhere and realise that I do not have enough charge and will have to wait 10 hours for it to charge.

                                Obviously most people will probably have a second petrol car though.
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