Engine Dilemma

[kamotors]

agree with everything you mentioned.. plus Kams head gasket finally took a shiit..so just proves you need re enforcement..& a stock m20 isn't gnna hold up very long without upgrades..

id go s5x for the price...m30..eehhh..slow lol

no it didnt:) just rocker arm and scavenge system issues:)

[TobyB]

Chebby smallblock- tons of torque, almost free parts, multitudes of cheap transmissions.

Ford 9" in back, with some sort of locker, and you can burn up tires for days.

Because, if you're drifting, does it really matter all that much?

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[obes]

Vivek,

There may well be a few people who are rocking big HP numbers on a bone-stock engine, but throwing that much power at a motor without looking at some key areas is asking for trouble. For every KAmotors story, there are 10 from people who've popped their HG, or caused other significant failures. The OP had his car dyno'd at 137hp, suggesting that it is beginning to get tired.

CAN you make 400 hp on a stock motor? Yes. Will it last? Not unless you have built it very well and are very lucky. Do you have to strengthen the motor? Not if you don't mind having to rebuild it.

You said you'd save a few bills for a spare motor. Why not put that into maintenance on the M20? There are many ways to do this, but I'm a fan of doing things right the first time, and not having to swap out a motor because I didn't. Your mileage may vary!

agree with everything you mentioned.. plus Kams head gasket finally took a shiit..so just proves you need re enforcement..& a stock m20 isn't gnna hold up very long without upgrades..

id go s5x for the price...m30..eehhh..slow lol

[F34R]

My 2 cents is a B35 with a cam and tubular exhaust.

This^ the 3.5 will burn rubber all day.

[Bearmw]

My 2 cents is a B35 with a cam and tubular exhaust.

[OrangeFiero]

it really sounds like a quick cheap m30 swap is what you need to hold you over untill you invest in a s52 build. it will get you more power than an m50 and be more reliable than a cheap turbo setup for your m20, it will be a little heavier than the m20 up front but your not racing your drifting you can make it work.

I like where your coming from. Time to invest some more interweb hours to see if its what i want.

[JinormusJ]

OP wants to do an eventual m50/s50 swap. With the money he's goin to blow blowing his turboed m20, he can buy an s52 swap and call it a day.

Your looking at pushing close to 210 rwhp, then add a chip and some bolt ins and you'll hit projected HP range

Makes no sense to take the long way around if you already know what you want. M30 is also a cheap budget build that is more than reasonable to make bullet proof for incredibly cheap

[SmokeE30]

it really sounds like a quick cheap m30 swap is what you need to hold you over untill you invest in a s52 build. it will get you more power than an m50 and be more reliable than a cheap turbo setup for your m20, it will be a little heavier than the m20 up front but your not racing your drifting you can make it work.

[nando]

Competition being what it is, in most cases there is a reason that the higher priced brands cost more. And it isn't the name, it is the quality.

On a 200k engine you will have to go further than head gasket, studs, etc., before boost. Line an overbore, new pistons, rebuilt head, new cam, bottom end bearings, etc. In other words a full engine rebuild. If you don't do that there is a decent chance of engine failure before it makes it through dyno tuning.

My money is on ring land failure. very common on high mileage M20s with boost.

[OrangeFiero]

If you have been doing your own research and using the search button, you'd be able to find the best build suited to your budget.

I've gone through 6 separate different build possibilities, researched them on my own, and came to my ultimate conclusion as to what I want to do on my car for my personal budget. Needless to say, I didn't have to create 6 separate build threads to get r3v to hold my hand through the process

You said it yourself; m50 won't get you enough power for what you want. Then drop that possibility and look for a swap/build that will get you what you want. You asked for our opinions: stop getting butthurt when we start giving them

I shall keep to myself next time, sorry...

[jlevie]

I have thought this through for a long time now...

Ok, so all of you are assuming (except vivek) that im the type of person who has no connections, doesnt do there own fab work or work in general, and goes for the best quality i can buy. Frankly i believe higher priced brands are ripping you off most of the time, I HATE paying for a brand name for a mediocre product. I have access to a dyno for a case of beer if i want, and this isnt my first build so i know the extra money ill proly be spending.

Sorry for not mentioning, but i would at LEAST do a head gasket, head studs, water pump and timing belt, and i have done most other maintenance items in the last year.

Competition being what it is, in most cases there is a reason that the higher priced brands cost more. And it isn't the name, it is the quality.

On a 200k engine you will have to go further than head gasket, studs, etc., before boost. Line an overbore, new pistons, rebuilt head, new cam, bottom end bearings, etc. In other words a full engine rebuild. If you don't do that there is a decent chance of engine failure before it makes it through dyno tuning.

[JinormusJ]

If you have been doing your own research and using the search button, you'd be able to find the best build suited to your budget.

I've gone through 6 separate different build possibilities, researched them on my own, and came to my ultimate conclusion as to what I want to do on my car for my personal budget. Needless to say, I didn't have to create 6 separate build threads to get r3v to hold my hand through the process

You said it yourself; m50 won't get you enough power for what you want. Then drop that possibility and look for a swap/build that will get you what you want. You asked for our opinions: stop getting butthurt when we start giving them

[OrangeFiero]

OP hasn't really thought this through...

I have thought this through for a long time now...

Ok, so all of you are assuming (except vivek) that im the type of person who has no connections, doesnt do there own fab work or work in general, and goes for the best quality i can buy. Frankly i believe higher priced brands are ripping you off most of the time, I HATE paying for a brand name for a mediocre product. I have access to a dyno for a case of beer if i want, and this isnt my first build so i know the extra money ill proly be spending.

Sorry for not mentioning, but i would at LEAST do a head gasket, head studs, water pump and timing belt, and i have done most other maintenance items in the last year.

Thanks for the debate though r3v

[JinormusJ]

OP hasn't really thought this through...

[rturbo 930]

A supercharged M50 or S50 might be worth looking into. It'd be a lot more reliable than a boosted M20, and I think a supercharger will be less complicated to install.