So long e30 M3s...

[UNHCLL]

I think you guys forget that the car is being built for Blunt... the only man in the history of cars who can apex a straight line like no other driver!

[blunttech]

I think you guys forget that the car is being built for Blunt... the only man in the history of cars who can apex a straight line like no other driver!

as far as I know its not been repeated since. It takes true skill to pull that off

[jhaurimn]

Not quite sure how you can hate on someone putting a v10 in a e30 m3. I mean, if steve took a super low mile show car condition 100% original m3 and tore it up like that, yeah that would be dumb... but thats not the case.

[reelizmpro]

Not quite sure how you can hate on someone putting a v10 in a e30 m3. I mean, if steve took a super low mile show car condition 100% original m3 and tore it up like that, yeah that would be dumb... but thats not the case.

Well it's obvious...if you put a V10 in to any car, it will make it fast. I think those guys on CC aren't that impressed and are more concerned about the technical reasons why parts are being used. Seems to be a requirement on that site. Don't think they were hating the swap per se. This was by far my favorite quote...

"This choad licking cumguzzler however...
I commented on his cut/paste as i got curious and visited the websites involved... and discovered identical content to this thread - I wonder how many forums he's posting on - I imagine on the BMW specific forums he's got quite the following of sackriders and autofellators - "Dude that's sweet" "totes amazeballs" "#yolo" and shit like that."

and Terry Fair...don't associate me with this "Blunt" guy.

I damn near fell out of my chair reading that...haha.

Regarding the M3, at this point...I think they should all be saved regardless. There's a guy on this site who picked up an M3 from Hawaii with rust holes on the body, welded in new material himself and patched everything up. The car looks great today. That was the worst rust on an M3 I had ever seen too but owners are free to do as they wish.

[nando]

Well it's obvious...if you put a V10 in to any car, it will make it fast. I think those guys on CC aren't that impressed and are more concerned about the technical reasons why parts are being used. Seems to be a requirement on that site. Don't think they were hating the swap per se. This was by far my favorite quote...

"This choad licking cumguzzler however...
I commented on his cut/paste as i got curious and visited the websites involved... and discovered identical content to this thread - I wonder how many forums he's posting on - I imagine on the BMW specific forums he's got quite the following of sackriders and autofellators - "Dude that's sweet" "totes amazeballs" "#yolo" and shit like that."

and Terry Fair...don't associate me with this "Blunt" guy.

sure. but, they never gave anyone the chance to respond to any "technical questions". it went pretty much straight from posting some of the early build pictures, to "these guys must be idiots why are they posting on our site". a whole lot of assumptions in 5 pages of nonsense without any real clue what or who they were talking about.

[reelizmpro]

Yeah, that was crazy. Seems they expected much more "tech" in the initial post.

[nando]

Yeah, they were just mocking things up to see how it fit!

I can understand wanting some meat with that burger, but if they didn't like some technical aspect of something why not just suggest something helpful rather than piling on the shit? I wouldn't want to post back in that thread either.

I have a lot of respect for M3s and I agree that stock ones will be worth more (or at least with an S14). But that's why I don't think I could ever own one - because once you've done the things that make it match up to more modern performance standards (swaps, modded suspension, aftermarket brakes, etc), you could have done the same thing to any standard E30 for a lot less and ended up with basically the same car, sans body kit and badge.

I also think that eventually, standard E30s will also be tough to find in original condition. I think that's already pretty true - they won't ever be worth as much as M3s, but they will have their own value.

[Ray Smoodiver]

Link to CC thread? I can't find it.

[norMcal]

......I bought it to BUILD and DRIVE. Putting miles on the cars LOWERS their value. Are you going to not drive it?? If the guy who mods his car does not care, why does anyone else? I guarantee you that people with swapped M3s have just as much fun as stock owners...maybe more? Lol. Really though WHO CARES???? At the end of the day it's metal and rubber. If it means THAT MUCH to you what OTHER people do with THEIR PROPERTY...I feel for you.

E30 M3's are slow by modern standards but so are all these muscle cars that sell for big money most run low 15's to high 14's not that far off from a stock e30 m3 and there is no comparison in handling or braking

Yes! The handling and braking, that is why I bought it!

I would tend to believe the very people who have been in the BMW e30 scene for decades before a VP who works at one of the companies that offers agreed value policies. You can say your car is worth 100K, it doesn't mean it is or will be. That remains to be seen. IMO, you have to be in the trenches to really know E30's. Know what's valuable and what is not. Know what's going to be and what isn't.

Your condo analogy doesn't apply to the E30 M3 because they are constantly building condos...you can always find them and values go up and down. The E30 M3 on the other hand started with a fixed number 17,xxx produced worldwide and that number has and is diminishing with each day. So owning one is in fact an opportunity. I can build an M3 bodied S50 car any day of the week and it will look and perform exactly the same or better than yours...but I can't build a genuine E30 M3. So wouldn't you say the S14 was a key ingredient??? I would.

So many newer cars are faster than old cars...so what? newer cars are better in almost every aspect and they are supposed to be, yet we still drive E30's for a reason. What is your reason...if I may ask? You want the nostalgic/iconic car without the nostalgic/iconic engine?

I really don't know why you continue to debate the value thing. I said 3 times already that an original/low mileage car will be worth more than a swapped car, hands down. And of course is the S14 a key ingredient if your main objective is preserving the originality and the investment. However, it isn't the key ingredient if your main objective is reliability and performance. The VP from Hagerty suggested that the e30M3 could be the next big thing, so no reason to accuse him of not knowing what he is talking about, he is agreeing whit you!!!! The only thing I've been trying to get across, and he confirmed in his article, is that the resto mods have a market that is getting more popular and that a e30 M3 is worth a nice chuck of change, even without the S14.

The comments I made in addition, regarding the reasons to swap engines, was to try to explain why and when and for whom it makes sense. But I give up on that one. This is the last I will say about that.

You asked why I wanted an iconic e30 M3 without the iconic engine? Maybe you should ask yourself why the regular e30 is so iconic and popular. It never came with an S14!!!!! Ever here anybody describe the car as very communicative and forgiving chassis? It still does that wiht an S52, trust me!

But to answer your question. I wanted a lightweight track toy. It had to be a BMW, because I am a die hard Bimmer guy. Sure I could have gotten a e36 M3, but the e30 M3 is lighter, easier to work on, goes up in value rather than down, looks cool, has exclusivity, is the one that I always wanted and on and on. A regular e30 would have fulfilled some of those criteria's, but not all of them and most importantly has the handycap of a 4 lug hubs and weaker suspension components and probably would need a proper engine swap to boot.

I just don't see the harm in swapping a S52 in to a e30 M3 that had a roll cage built in already, 165k miles, a respray and a blown S14. Not to mention that I bought it with the work already done.
If somebody would take a low mileage perfectly good car and do that to it, then you have my blessings to call him sacrilegious.

[reelizmpro]

I should have multiquoted your text so you can see that my reply was in response to certain points you brought up. I had already moved on until you bumped the thread. I understand you bought yours already swapped. I have several friends who have bought theirs already swapped as well. I haven't and wouldn't give them shit about it but my comments are more towards the people that do the swaps and then sell the car shortly after. If you keep the car forever, who cares but when those cars are constantly put on the market...it dilutes the entire E30 M3 legend IMO. Then you have guys like the one I quoted in my sig who really don't know that it came with a 4 cylinder originally.

Anyway, the regular E30 has always been iconic but is now popular because of the hipsters/drifter types + engine swaps but we aren't talking about regular E30's.

[dannyg]

I have personally parted out 3 e30 m3s blown motors etc am I going to hell? Most e30 m3 owners I've met are a bunch of queers honestly. Think they're driving around in some unicorn car, they made 17 some odd thousand of these things. I drive mine like I stole it every time I take it out. It breaks, I fix it. It gets scratched, I repaint it.

[norMcal]

I should have multiquoted your text so you can see that my reply was in response to certain points you brought up. I had already moved on until you bumped the thread. I understand you bought yours already swapped. I have several friends who have bought theirs already swapped as well. I haven't and wouldn't give them shit about it but my comments are more towards the people that do the swaps and then sell the car shortly after. =

OK, fair enough

..... but when those cars are constantly put on the market...it dilutes the entire E30 M3 legend IMO.

I don't know that I agree with that. I mean the fact that a lot of them get swapped makes the original ones that much rarer and thus the values go up faster. You should be glad. ;)
You have to ask yourself why so many cars are getting swapped. It's because the S14 is too expensive to maintain and fix. The risk/reward is not there, IF the car is past it's prime. I had the inside track on an all original 114k miles, 2 owner, e30 M3 when I decided to buy one. I could have gotten it for $24k. My thought process was that I would have to dump about $6k in to it to make it track worthy, so I was looking at roughly $30k. However, my fear was that the engine would have gone camblammo at some point in the near future and I would have been looking at another $10k+, or I would have done a swap at that point for about the same amount, if I paid somebody to do it. My mechanic, who owned 25 e30's, suggested that I look for a swap car instead. He had bought his last e30 M3 with 100k miles and on the drive home the rod bearing went. So I ended up finding a swapped one for $18k, with a fresh paint job and almost rust free body, and some track stuff already installed. In the end, I think the deciding factor was peace of mind, knowing that the S52 will just plug along, from track day to track day. If I could buy one new and get a factory warranty, I would have no issues buying a S14, but without it I feel like they are a ticking bomb.

I do understand your sentiment towards the guys you described. There are lots of ignorant people out there. I do wonder about one thing though, couldn't the blame for swapped cars lie on the complete opposite end of the spectrum? The racers, the restorers or whatever? Think about it. The reason some kid swaps the engine, is because somebody is willing to pay good money for a running S14, because theirs blew up and it's cheaper to buy one from somebody that is stupid enough to sell it. In other words, there aren't enough S14's around to go back in to all existing e30 M3's. Just some food for thought!

[jhaurimn]

It breaks, I fix it.

You sure? id just junk it

[dannyg]

I'm speaking about these guys that don't let people stand within a few feet of their car. Almost as if they'd rather look at them than enjoy them, either with a 4 or 6 or 10 cylinder. Better off driving the balls off it than stare at them.

[M-technik-3]

If he's got the money to install it, he's got the money to put an s14 in it later in life. Envious sure would be fun to have a V10 powered M3 or how about a newer twin turbo V8 powered one.


The OP has this on every forum I have seen that has any sort of E30 discussion.