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    someone hack the thing and move the data to like thereale30tech.com

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      To put backups into perspective, we have complete DB's back to April 2016 and I have one quarterly back to 2012...

      Offsite and Onsite as well, we can restore a full archive in around 30 min.

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      We also keep rotating Fulls/Incremental on all the VM's that run R3V, as well as a 5 min rotating snapshot from the production cluster to a standby backup server. So we can drop the database, the SAN, whatever and fail over to a completely separate server with 5 min max of lost data.

      Translation: I take backups / redundancy very seriously.

      Here is a behind the scenes on the gear that hosts R3V. Its 100% owned by R3VLimited LLC, nothing is leased, outsourced, etc. This cluster is fully redundant with zero SPOF (single point of failure) We can drop firewalls, disks, hypervisors, internet connections, and continue to function thanks to this design.

      Besides daily database dumps to offsite/onsite archival servers (IE not on the production cluster) we have full VM backups on a daily basis, + 5 min snapshots pushed to a separate virtual server (IE the one on the bottom of the stack) If the primary cluster fails we can flip a switch and failover to the secondary node with only 5 min of data loss.


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      Last edited by James Crivellone; 09-28-2016, 11:32 PM.

      Comment


        ^If you hadn't had back up of the DB, and there was a serious error, is at some point the DB is unrecoverable? Or can it always be cleaned and fixed? I'm asking if that might be the case with e30tech.
        Originally posted by Matt-B
        hey does anyone know anyone who gets upset and makes electronics?

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          Originally posted by george graves View Post
          ^If you hadn't had back up of the DB, and there was a serious error, is at some point the DB is unrecoverable? Or can it always be cleaned and fixed? I'm asking if that might be the case with e30tech.
          Depends on the issue, could be as simple as MySQL being down and nobody issuing a startup, could be the DB server out of disk space, or could be corrupt tables causing vBulletin to freak out (does not take much)

          tough to say without having it in front of me

          Comment


            Impressive setup James! I wonder how many other car forums are hosted on their own private servers hosted onsite?

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            - jpod999

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              Originally posted by jpod999 View Post
              Impressive setup James! I wonder how many other car forums are hosted on their own private servers hosted onsite?
              Most will utilize hosting providers / shared hosting space.

              This cluster does not just host R3V (I provide 3rd party VM hosting to SMB's as well) but the overall control of where my data goes / how its protected is something I don't get by using a regular hosting provider.

              Comment


                That's awesome James!
                I'm glad to see this wonderful forum isn't going anywhere!


                As for E30tech, I would be willing to contribute to a fundraiser if it means we can get a backup of the forums. So much useful information.
                Last edited by Panici; 09-29-2016, 12:29 PM.

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                  Originally posted by James Crivellone View Post
                  To put backups into perspective, we have complete DB's back to April 2016 and I have one quarterly back to 2012...

                  Offsite and Onsite as well, we can restore a full archive in around 30 min.

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                  We also keep rotating Fulls/Incremental on all the VM's that run R3V, as well as a 5 min rotating snapshot from the production cluster to a standby backup server. So we can drop the database, the SAN, whatever and fail over to a completely separate server with 5 min max of lost data.

                  Translation: I take backups / redundancy very seriously.

                  Here is a behind the scenes on the gear that hosts R3V. Its 100% owned by R3VLimited LLC, nothing is leased, outsourced, etc. This cluster is fully redundant with zero SPOF (single point of failure) We can drop firewalls, disks, hypervisors, internet connections, and continue to function thanks to this design.

                  Besides daily database dumps to offsite/onsite archival servers (IE not on the production cluster) we have full VM backups on a daily basis, + 5 min snapshots pushed to a separate virtual server (IE the one on the bottom of the stack) If the primary cluster fails we can flip a switch and failover to the secondary node with only 5 min of data loss.


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                  I have no idea what you are talking about, but i'm impressed.

                  Thanks, James!
                  Lorin


                  Originally posted by slammin.e28
                  The M30 is God's engine.

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                    Originally posted by LJ851 View Post
                    I have no idea what you are talking about, but i'm impressed.

                    Thanks, James!
                    x2

                    I remember when people would ask about getting registered for e30tech I think Massive Lee had some kind of access, has anyone tried him?

                    I was never able to get registered and gave up, but luckily R3V has been wonderful to me and my (previously) lonely nights
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                      When it all comes down to it, it's a database. And really, unless it has some sort of DOD style encryption, it's recoverable.

                      You'd be surprised what I've seen data recovered from. Even if you delete and over wrote, there's a good chance it can be rebuilt.

                      Of course, some of the data does exist already on the Wayback Machine. I've been able to track down the occasional thread there, but it's hit or miss.

                      Most of the photo links are dead on those, but the posts could possibly still be recovered.
                      1991 325i MT2 Touring (JDM bro)
                      2016 Ford Flex
                      2011 Audi A3 - wife's other German car

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                        Bumping this thread, I wrote a quick DIY for waybackmachine/internet archive and recovered most of the stickied pages on e30tech

                        http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=395797


                        Did you guys get any further with contacting the site's admin?

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                          Any updates on e30tech?

                          I Just read through "Jordan's massive turbo write-up", and it was great info for my upcoming build. And I've used other info from there. So I'd hate to just see it disappear.

                          Especially if James is willing to convert to a read only format to keep it. (Cause hes awesome!)
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                            Nothing has changed as far as I know. It's super frustrating seeing Chris post to IG but not get a response from him.

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                              +1 for hoping e30tech gets back online.

                              I've been searching for stuff (using Google) for some time and e30tech keeps coming up as a search result. Sadly, database errors mean I don't get to see the good stuff that has been posted there. :(

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                                Aren't there several e30tech mods that are on here as well? Do you fellows not have contact with him either?
                                Originally posted by Matt-B
                                hey does anyone know anyone who gets upset and makes electronics?

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