S2000 or Swapped E30?

[eric (^__^)]

Here I'll post something so you don't have to wait for a reply.

[sumyungguy]

that power band is shit though. notice the graph doesn't even start until 3k - it has nothing under 4000rpm.

also, where the hell did all you guys come from?

I think your forgetting that the car revs to 9k and has a 6 speed. How is that power band shit? Smooth increase in power all the way up. thats what you get when you have the right size turbo for the motor.

350 hp turbo'd car isnt that great at all.

STFU you moron.....

[silversleeper]

S50 swapped S2k??? haha.. jk


get the S2K... hot car, reliable as fuck, hot car, sexy as shit, hot car.

[fcsteve]

STFU you moron.....

that hurt my feelings

[nando]

I think your forgetting that the car revs to 9k and has a 6 speed. How is that power band shit? Smooth increase in power all the way up. thats what you get when you have the right size turbo for the motor.


STFU you moron.....

no, I didn't forget. I think you forget that you have to start out with the car in 1st gear at a low RPM, chug through 4000rpm of nothing and then hit your peak at (the impressive) redline. having a car that you requires being driven over 4000rpm ALL THE TIME would drive most people nuts. Why else do you think BMW spends so much time developing motors with flat torque curves?

fortunately for me, I don't fit in one of those cars anyway. That, and a better turbo selection would have boost way before 4000rpm.

[e30polak]

[quote=brandondan1;1002950]
Doubt you will even need to consider suspension because it already handles great. It's also still going to be faster than a s50 swap. You won't need to dump a lot of money into it while having to repair things along the way.
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since when???? an e36 m3 will stomp a s2k off the line, unless u keep an s2k between 5.5-9k u wont have any power compared to an s50 swap. all my friends love my s52 swap. i destroy alot ok cars an s2k is not even in my league. i spent less then 10 gs on the car and the swap with my labor included, if u add 3K for labor that puts u round 13k + 2K for a nice coilover setup. go for the e30 if u have time to do the swap this summer!!! :hitler:

[Bill 84 318i]

ahahhhahahaha, this is a great thread. Where is Bill, he owned a s50 swaped e30 and a S2000.

Hello!

Jesus christ, I definitely didn't read all seven pages.

I owned an S2000 (AP1, it was an '03) for a year, and I've had an s50e30 for almost a year and a half now. This comparison really is apples to kumquats.

The e30 gives me some kind of a nostalgic feeling that I can't put my finger on when I drive it. I just enjoy it. The S2000 is the better car though - powerband is peakier, but you feel like you're wearing the car instead of driving it. I also REALLY miss being able to drive a convertible around on even halfway decent days. It's kind of a pain to daily because of it's size, but if you're young, it doesn't really matter.

[Hon2BMW]

honda doesnt make great cars. they make cheap cars that dont last, thats y every junkyard is 80% hondas. honda motor swaps cost like 200 bucks and it dies just as quickly as it was put in.

I'm guessing you don't understand simple ecomomics or simple mathmatics for that matter.

BMW's Sales in NORTH AMERICA ONLY for 2007: 293,975 vehicles

Honda Sales in NORTH AMERICA ONLY for 2007: 1,776,000 vehicles.

I'd assume that since honda sells almost six times what BMW sells in North America almost every year, there may be a teensy little bit more of them in salvage yards. Not to mention most yards specialize in one make or another, which generally leads to more than one of the same type of car in one place. Maybe you just haven't been checking out the right yards.

Considering the Accord alone sells more units than BMW's ENTIRE LINE UP does every 12 months, there may be a surplus of used parts on the market.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, as my only exposure to economics in college was basic micro and an elective in environmental econ, but usually a surplus drives down prices as there is no longer enough demand to sell the items at higher prices and therefore it will drop until it reaches equilibrium.

I've seen honda motors last longer than BMW motors, I've seen Fords run longer than either.

You sound like a BMW fan-boy bandwagon Honda-hater.

I look at it this way:

You spend 15K on an S2000, two years down the road its worth 10.5 to 11K trade in

You spend 15K on an E30, a swap, suspension, blah, blah, blah...

and two years from now your E30 is worth a grand total of $500 at trade in.

If he's questioning what he should get, he obviously has no passion for either vehicle at this point. investment wise the S2k makes more sense.

I bought my e30 because I didn't want a car payment or another vehicle that was going to get stolen. At the time those where really the only reasons. I've grown to love it. just like any car, I make it my own.

I had a civic before hand, it was boosted, rather cheaply by me since I didn't really know what I was doing at the time. The car ran un-tuned off 450cc injectors from an eclipse and an AFC (there's a reason it was called "the Hack" ) for 80,000 miles (130,000 total) at 7-8psi before I had any problems, ended up busting a head gasket. Replaced the motor for $400 because it was actually cheaper labor wise then pulling the head to replace the gasket! I drove the car for another 50,000 miles with no problems before it was stolen.

[Jean]

Bill 84 318i, Hon2BMW, thank you for proving my point. These guys are so dense that they can't look past the H badge yet speak like they are driving an F430 and GT3 (but have an 84 318i and an 86 325e).

I would love to see the condition of your 84/86 318i/325e cars that lets you judge a car 20 years newer than yours, with better brakes, suspension, engine, tranny, handling, chassis, safety OUT OF THE BOX with a better re-sale value to boot. Who gives a shit if an e30 with a swap will be faster in a straight line, did you guys watch 2F2F one too many times ? My goodness, your shit box will never be on par with a performance of a stock s2k let alone one with equal $ put into it. Comparing a fricking basketball to a foosball here.

Fanboyism is teh gay.

Fucking ridunculous.

[fcsteve]

I've seen honda motors last longer than BMW motors, I've seen Fords run longer than either.

I look at it this way:

You spend 15K on an S2000, two years down the road its worth 10.5 to 11K trade in

You spend 15K on an E30, a swap, suspension, blah, blah, blah...

and two years from now your E30 is worth a grand total of $500 at trade in.

If he's questioning what he should get, he obviously has no passion for either vehicle at this point. investment wise the S2k makes more sense.

if hondas were good there wouldnt be so many in the jumkyard, its not a small amount, there is 2 bmw's in the local yard and about 50 hondas. at the other ard i go to in hazleton ther is 13 bmws in the import section, and there is 200 to 300 cars in that section alone, of which id say 80% of the rest of those cars are hondas.

fords are junk too. everyone i have ever met has said that.

and as for the s2k vs e30 trade in value, you will pay more then 11k more just to buy the s2k.

- 15k -

you could buy an e30 for around 2 grand easy. rebuild the entire motor and do a whole lot of mods.

your most likely gonna pay more then 15k just to buy the s2k and then you need even more money to mod it.

[fcsteve]

Bill 84 318i, Hon2BMW, thank you for proving my point. These guys are so dense that they can't look past the H badge yet speak like they are driving an F430 and GT3 (but have an 84 318i and an 86 325e).

I would love to see the condition of your 84/86 318i/325e cars that lets you judge a car 20 years newer than yours, with better brakes, suspension, engine, tranny, handling, chassis, safety OUT OF THE BOX with a better re-sale value to boot. Who gives a shit if an e30 with a swap will be faster in a straight line, did you guys watch 2F2F one too many times ? My goodness, your shit box will never be on par with a performance of a stock s2k let alone one with equal $ put into it. Comparing a fricking basketball to a foosball here.

Fanboyism is teh gay.

Fucking ridunculous.

my car is completely gutted. no interior except driver seat, bare trunk, 17" rims and its waiting for a motor swap. its a project car.

like i said before. you start off with no car and each team gets 15k, the e30 team can buy a shell and build a completely rediculous race car or DD. the honda team will get a stock s2000 with no mods.

[Jean]

The thing is, you don't NEED To mod it, and if you do you'll still be ahead. Who the f compares a stock car to a modded car anyway, a bench racer ?

If you buy apples, and so do 100000 other people but your friend buys an orange and so do 100 people. Do a simple math, how many apple and orange left overs will you find in a trash ? Did you pass high school math ?

[fcsteve]

The thing is, you don't NEED To mod it, and if you do you'll still be ahead. Who the f compares a stock car to a modded car anyway, a bench racer ?

If you buy apples, and so do 100000 other people but your friend buys an orange and so do 100 people. Do a simple math, how many apple and orange left overs will you find in a trash ? Did you pass high school math ?

you guys wanted to compare prices. well the e30 is easier on thewallet and will produce a better car. a stock s2k couldnt beat an e30 with 15k in it.

[Jean]

Have you built an E30 from ground up touching EVERY component on it, improving everything that needs to be improved, rebuilding an engine etc? Do you have an .xls document proving it will be cheaper than a used (let's say 20k) s2k ? Have you got any proof to show any FACTS on how it will be BETTER?

Will it corner faster ?
Will it accelerate faster?
Will it produce higher G's on a skidpad?
Will it brake faster?
Will it have higher speeds in transitions?
Will it FEEL good driving it?
Will it still be a road legal car that the stock s2k (since you are SO dense on comparing a modded e30 to stock s2k) is ?

Because you can find examples of very well built e30s here on just this forum alone, that cost more , sometimes 2x -3x as much as a stock s2k.

I am waiting, until then you are talking out of your ass.

[Hon2BMW]

[quote=fcsteve;1003701]

if hondas were good there wouldnt be so many in the jumkyard, its not a small amount, there is 2 bmw's in the local yard and about 50 hondas. at the other ard i go to in hazleton ther is 13 bmws in the import section, and there is 200 to 300 cars in that section alone, of which id say 80% of the rest of those cars are hondas.

fords are junk too. everyone i have ever met has said that.

and as for the s2k vs e30 trade in value, you will pay more then 11k more just to buy the s2k.

- 15k -

you could buy an e30 for around 2 grand easy. rebuild the entire motor and do a whole lot of mods.

your most likely gonna pay more then 15k just to buy the s2k and then you need even more money to mod it.

Your logic befuddles me and comes off as rather infantile in its conclusions.

You also seem to base most of your reasoning skills off what the media and your local internet Nazi's despense to you on a daily basis.

23 million people around the world right now drive or otherwise own a honda product.

If you own a junkyard, and are looking to make cash from people who need parts, are you going to buy slavage vehicles that are going to appeal to a smaller market with limited demand for parts like BMW's?
Or are you going buy vehicles that people actually drive in large numbers, like Honda's?

Think about it, there is a world outside internet forums you should pay attention to. Sometimes things are a little more complicated than the word problems you remember from high school.

I can buy a 91 miata for $1500, with another 5K on an LS swap and suspension mods that would probably murder almost any stock or moddified E30 on a road course. Would it be as reliable or easy to drive on a daily basis as a modern purpose built stock sports car? Probably not.

If I was in his position, I would buy neither, I would get a corrolla or a civic, both are relatively fun to drive, maintain their resale value, get excellent gas mileage, and will provide years of worry free driving till he is out of college and can afford to mess around with vehicles that have questionable reliabiltiy, but come with loads of character and driving enjoyment.