S2000 or Swapped E30?

[nando]

^ agreed. the only thing I'm wondering (besides were all these retards are coming from) is why you are itching to spend $15k on a car right for college. NO car is an investment (well none that any of us can afford to buy).

[fcsteve]

[quote=Hon2BMW;1003724]

Your logic befuddles me and comes off as rather infantile in its conclusions.

You also seem to base most of your reasoning skills off what the media and your local internet Nazi's despense to you on a daily basis.

If you own a junkyard, and are looking to make cash from people who need parts, are you going to buy slavage vehicles that are going to appeal to a smaller market with limited demand for parts like BMW's?
Or are you going buy vehicles that people actually drive in large numbers, like Honda's?

Think about it, there is a world outside internet forums you should pay attention to. Sometimes things are a little more complicated than the word problems you remember from high school.

I can buy a 91 miata for $1500, with another 5K on an LS swap and suspension mods that would probably murder almost any stock or moddified E30 on a road course. Would it be as reliable or easy to drive on a daily basis as a modern purpose built stock sports car? Probably not.

If I was in his position, I would buy neither, I would get a corrolla or a civic, both are relatively fun to drive, maintain their resale value, get excellent gas mileage, and will provide years of worry free driving till he is out of college and can afford to mess around with vehicles that have questionable reliabiltiy, but come with loads of character and driving enjoyment.

i dont have a problem with anyone on the internet having a problem with me. im not out to please anyone.

i know the owner of the local "u pull it". he gets any bmw that he can because the parts go quick because they arent easy to get.

this guy is talking about e30 or s2k, not a miata.

if i was him i wouldnt be lookiing at these cars either. but thats not the case.

[Danny]

[fcsteve]

Have you built an E30 from ground up touching EVERY component on it, improving everything that needs to be improved, rebuilding an engine etc? Do you have an .xls document proving it will be cheaper than a used (let's say 20k) s2k ? Have you got any proof to show any FACTS on how it will be BETTER?

Will it corner faster ?
Will it accelerate faster?
Will it produce higher G's on a skidpad?
Will it brake faster?
Will it have higher speeds in transitions?
Will it FEEL good driving it?
Will it still be a road legal car that the stock s2k (since you are SO dense on comparing a modded e30 to stock s2k) is ?

Because you can find examples of very well built e30s here on just this forum alone, that cost more , sometimes 2x -3x as much as a stock s2k.

I am waiting, until then you are talking out of your ass.

find me anywhere that says putting the cost of a stock s2k into an e30 will still make the s2k a better car.

find me some "proof and facts" as you so put them. until then your talking out of your ass.

[brandondan1]

since when???? an e36 m3 will stomp a s2k off the line, unless u keep an s2k between 5.5-9k u wont have any power compared to an s50 swap. all my friends love my s52 swap. i destroy alot ok cars an s2k is not even in my league. i spent less then 10 gs on the car and the swap with my labor included, if u add 3K for labor that puts u round 13k + 2K for a nice coilover setup. go for the e30 if u have time to do the swap this summer!!! :hitler:

So what? That's why you launch at a higher rpm so it's always in vtec. You might be forgetting that f20s LOVE to r3v. You can redline it all the way to 9k everyday with no problems.

So what if the power in an f20 is from 5900-9000rpm? That's like me complaining that an s50 will explode at 9000rpm... They are two different cars and you have to drive them differently. IMO the higher I'm revving, the more fun I'm having.

I highly doubt you stomp s2ks.
E36 m3 0-60: 6.1s
S2k: 0-60 5.5s

Anyway, this thread is getting really ignorant. I'm out:???:

[Jean]

find me anywhere that says putting the cost of a stock s2k into an e30 will still make the s2k a better car.

find me some "proof and facts" as you so put them. until then your talking out of your ass.

So after I called you out on your BS that's all you got ? LOL

Have fun in your own little reality you live in .

To the OP. Best I can recommend is to go out and drive both , decide and factor in cost to own (gas/insurance etc) into your decision ;) Pick one with a glass rear window, don't buy one of the very early models.

[LivingLegend06]

The S2000 is a better can than any basic s50 swapped E30. It will nearly match in acceleration, out handle, out break and have a higher top speed than the E30, not to mention be more reliable, and cheaper to maintain that an s50 swapped E30. The s2000 will also get you moor poon, which you can't even put a price on. The s2000 is also going to hold its value more than you expect, you could might even stand a chance of making a profit on the S2000.

My old man owns an S2000 that I put him into, I've spent quite a bit of time driving it and the feel is just far superior to the E30, the steering is just so amazingly sharp and obviously the feel of a car with only 30,000 miles on it is going to be huge compared with any high mileage car.

The reason I drive an E30 is because its a lot cheaper to insure and a lot more practical for a college student to own. I dont feel bad about parking it outside, I don't draw any attention from the cops, I actually can put 3 friends in it and go to the grocery store. I also personally really like the way it looks.

If your going to argue that the E30 is better than the S2000, then these are the only points you can make. To say that the E30 is going to be faster on the track is just plain stupid, and that doesn't even matter to the thread starter.

[fcsteve]

[quote=Jean;1003785]So after I called you out on your BS that's all you got ? LOL

Have fun in your own little reality you live in .
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hey you brought it up. if you cant prove anything then your talking just as much shit out your ass.

[LivingLegend06]

Steve, have you ever driven an S2000? no? THEN STFU!!

[Jean]

[quote=fcsteve;1003803]

So after I called you out on your BS that's all you got ? LOL

Have fun in your own little reality you live in .
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hey you brought it up. if you cant prove anything then your talking just as much shit out your ass.

Let's put a couple things here to rest. I've driven an s2k 1000s of times, I've autocrossed it also a handful of times. And I have an e30. Have you ?

I've been restoring/upgrading/building my 1984 e30 since last year and have almost every single nut and bolt logged into an .xls and can tell you this much. You'll need more than 15k EASY to get an old e30 to a point where every item of the car has been touched and this is W/O an engine swap OR body / paint work. And after all said and done, you'll still have OLD CHASSIS, and old Suspension and safety technology around you VS better everything else in the STOCK s2k. (not even talking abour resale value or anything else here) And I understand that, I love e30s, I love it's simplicity and basic style. But I am not a dumbass to say S2k is shit like you have.

Look up what one of the admins / owners of this site have done to theirs, there is one in the 40k range and I am sure others have done something similar w/o posting the numbers up.

STFU as you only making yourself look dumber than rock.

[fcsteve]

[quote=Jean;1003830]

Let's put a couple things here to rest. I've driven an s2k 1000s of times, I've autocrossed it also a handful of times. And I have an e30. Have you ?

I've been restoring/upgrading/building my 1984 e30 since last year and have almost every single nut and bolt logged into an .xls and can tell you this much. You'll need more than 15k EASY to get an old e30 to a point where every item of the car has been touched and this is W/O an engine swap OR body / paint work. And after all said and done, you'll still have OLD CHASSIS, and old Suspension and safety technology around you VS better everything else in the STOCK s2k. (not even talking abour resale value or anything else here) And I understand that, I love e30s, I love it's simplicity and basic style. But I am not a dumbass to say S2k is shit like you have.

Look up what one of the admins / owners of this site have done to theirs, there is one in the 40k range and I am sure others have done something similar w/o posting the numbers up.

STFU as you only making yourself look dumber than rock.

just cuz its expensive for one person doesnt mean another person couldnt do it for a quarter of the price.

have a nice day

[fcsteve]

Steve, have you ever driven an S2000? no? THEN STFU!!

lol. my mom owns a car shop. i used to work there ... yes ive driven an s2000. it was nothing special.

:up: way to go smart guy

[LivingLegend06]

lol. my mom owns a car shop. i used to work there ... yes ive driven an s2000. it was nothing special.

:up: way to go smart guy

Wow, you drove some customers car that your mommy was working on? way to go, I'm sure you really got to beat the piss out of it as you pulled it into or out of the garage. If you didnt hit vtec and push the car then you dont know what an s2000 feels like. (OMG I just said vtec, I must be a ricer now, right?!?)


You do realize that new parts have a certain price right? your cant replace every nut and bolt with new bmw parts on a budget, it costs what it costs to do it right.

[Hon2BMW]

[quote=fcsteve;1003760]

i dont have a problem with anyone on the internet having a problem with me. im not out to please anyone.

i know the owner of the local "u pull it". he gets any bmw that he can because the parts go quick because they arent easy to get.

Well, when there's over six hondas produced for every one BMW, sure, parts for that BMW are going to be harder to get, especially when the BMW dealer charges more for those same parts now then they did when they where new.

this guy is talking about e30 or s2k, not a miata.

Oh dear.

I guess I can't be subtle with you.

I was making a financial comparison stating that I can buy any small, cheap, decent handling vehicle from the late 80's early 90's and make it go like stink for under 10K.

The Miata was used as something adults like to call and E-X-A-M-P-L-E.

Yet none of them will compare to a modern S2K, Miata, (<---insert modern affordable sports car here) when it comes to ease of use, reliability, or driveabiltiy on our poorly surfaced municipal roads.

[cferb]

omg you guys are all selll outs!!!!!

a honda? yea it might be reliable but when you walk in a room full of car enthusiast and they happen to ask you, "what car do you drive?" the first two words that will come out of your mouth will be "a" and "honda". think about it......

you can get a nice used benz or bmw or subi or sumthin else that doesnt scream "rice"

go for an audi maybe... though i doubt you'll find a good one for 15k

or you could find a good one and throw down like 8k and have low monthly payments on a really great car.

Are you serious? I think you meant to say, a room full of high school kids that think they're enthusiasts. Real enthusiasts know that Hondas are drivers cars, like it or not, just like BMW they build them for drivers, only instead of luxury, they do economy.

Very few of you actually have a case as to why the e30 would be better, other than Honda=Rice which just proves you have no idea what you're talking about...

EDIT: looks like its mostly just one of you with no case. And for people calling Hondas rice, and then turning around and saying "why buy a new sports car, when you can spend 15k on an e30, and it would be faster!" I suggest you take a close look at yourself