The 15 Y/O Turbo M42 Build Thread (Now Holley EFI Terminator X Controlled)

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  • Dj Buttchug
    R3V OG
    • Jun 2010
    • 7623

    #421
    same here. There is a way to remedy it. You can run a gm style trigger wheel and sensor DIY autotune.

    What spark plugs are you using?

    Turbo M42 Build Thread :Here
    Ig:ryno_pzk
    I like the tuna here.
    Originally posted by lambo
    Buttchug. The official poster child of r3v.

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    • e30guydownunder
      E30 Modder
      • Jul 2008
      • 874

      #422
      I think positioning the cam sensor different but rotating the cam wheel would help also.

      BCPR7ES - had them left over from SR20 days but seem to work nicely
      - Chris
      Project M42 - 255 @ 19 psi

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      • Dj Buttchug
        R3V OG
        • Jun 2010
        • 7623

        #423
        Originally posted by e30guydownunder
        I think positioning the cam sensor different but rotating the cam wheel would help also.

        BCPR7ES - had them left over from SR20 days but seem to work nicely
        interesting. When does it miss? in my experience missing under load COULD be related to spark gap. I had issues choosing plugs and I ended up going with s2000 plugs.

        Turbo M42 Build Thread :Here
        Ig:ryno_pzk
        I like the tuna here.
        Originally posted by lambo
        Buttchug. The official poster child of r3v.

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        • Dj Buttchug
          R3V OG
          • Jun 2010
          • 7623

          #424
          adjusted my dwell from 4ms down to 2.8 on startup. much better now. Also added some nice heat syncs under my new drivers.

          Im trying to upload a few msq files of my tune so you guys can my numbers but im having issues attaching it to a post. who knows how?

          Turbo M42 Build Thread :Here
          Ig:ryno_pzk
          I like the tuna here.
          Originally posted by lambo
          Buttchug. The official poster child of r3v.

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          • e30guydownunder
            E30 Modder
            • Jul 2008
            • 874

            #425
            why not just do some screen shots?
            - Chris
            Project M42 - 255 @ 19 psi

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            • wazzu70
              E30 Enthusiast
              • Jan 2005
              • 1143

              #426
              Those dwell numbers sound much better!

              I have the TDC tooth the 20th tooth after the gap. Thats the best way to explain it since all trigger settings for different system need different info.

              The cam sensor is before TDC, so you shouldn't need to make any changes to that as most system place #1 cyl after the secondary trigger tooth. The early M42 has a VR sensor second trigger, at lower RPMs it does not generate a signal...on my setup at least. I want to change to a hall secondary for that reason :)
              -Nick

              M42 on VEMS

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              • Dj Buttchug
                R3V OG
                • Jun 2010
                • 7623

                #427
                for some reason my tuning PC will not upload my files correctly so here are screen shots of what I am working with

                The numbers are red because I just changed them back. I was tweaking things a little


                My cold start issue still persists. Ill post my startup enrichment as soon as the photo uploads.

                Turbo M42 Build Thread :Here
                Ig:ryno_pzk
                I like the tuna here.
                Originally posted by lambo
                Buttchug. The official poster child of r3v.

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                • Dj Buttchug
                  R3V OG
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 7623

                  #428
                  here is my startup enrichment table. It used to be much linear but I raised the enrichment around my startup temp to finally get it started.


                  Here are my symptoms.
                  1. shitty idle (hunts constantly)
                  2. Still will not start up cold (70-80 degrees)
                  3 Starts when hot but excessive cranking is needed.
                  4. When I jump the car battery it seems to start much easier, hot or cold. The battery in the car is brand new.

                  megasquirt gurus help me out
                  Last edited by Dj Buttchug; 11-05-2013, 03:15 PM.

                  Turbo M42 Build Thread :Here
                  Ig:ryno_pzk
                  I like the tuna here.
                  Originally posted by lambo
                  Buttchug. The official poster child of r3v.

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                  • wazzu70
                    E30 Enthusiast
                    • Jan 2005
                    • 1143

                    #429
                    Is your charging system working correctly? How many volts to the battery when running?
                    -Nick

                    M42 on VEMS

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                    • Dj Buttchug
                      R3V OG
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 7623

                      #430
                      Originally posted by wazzu70
                      Is your charging system working correctly? How many volts to the battery when running?
                      my volt meter reads 13.5 however when data logging it reads less. Something doesnt seem right here.

                      I have a datalog from a drive i took the other day. Im not sure how to show it here.

                      Turbo M42 Build Thread :Here
                      Ig:ryno_pzk
                      I like the tuna here.
                      Originally posted by lambo
                      Buttchug. The official poster child of r3v.

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                      • Dj Buttchug
                        R3V OG
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 7623

                        #431
                        and my target AFR table.

                        Turbo M42 Build Thread :Here
                        Ig:ryno_pzk
                        I like the tuna here.
                        Originally posted by lambo
                        Buttchug. The official poster child of r3v.

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                        • Lof8
                          R3VLimited
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 2827

                          #432
                          I'll be honest, boost, tuning, and MS scare the shit out of me. All I ever read is horror stories about people trying to get their tune right.
                          S50'd

                          Originally posted by TDE30
                          What is this faggy shit I have happened upon?
                          Originally posted by slammin.e28
                          I can always live in a M3. Can't M3 a house.

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                          • wazzu70
                            E30 Enthusiast
                            • Jan 2005
                            • 1143

                            #433
                            Tuning is not bad at all, you just need a desire to learn and a fundamental understanding of how an IC engine operates.

                            Many people would be smart to have a professional shop wire in and test the unit and set up the base configuration though!
                            -Nick

                            M42 on VEMS

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                            • Dj Buttchug
                              R3V OG
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 7623

                              #434
                              Originally posted by Lof8
                              I'll be honest, boost, tuning, and MS scare the shit out of me. All I ever read is horror stories about people trying to get their tune right.
                              true, but its been done and It can be done. Ive come to the conclusion that if I want my car to run properly im going to have to tune it myself. If you want something done right these days its really the only option (at least this is my experience with tuning so far)


                              Ive taken the car to be dyno'd TWICE, and it still idles poorly and wont start. It runs fine when driving and pulls like crazy under boost. It just seems like the guys that did my tune didnt really care about the fine details and I guess thats where I come in.

                              My target AFRs at idle are 13.4 ish. Either warm or cold it seems to want more fuel to idle smoothly, especially when I kick on an accessory and put extra load on the charging system (cooling fan or distilled mist)


                              If I give it more fuel it seems to have better throttle response too. I donno, ill wait for some tuning pros on here to chime in because Im well aware that I am NOT a professional at MS.

                              Turbo M42 Build Thread :Here
                              Ig:ryno_pzk
                              I like the tuna here.
                              Originally posted by lambo
                              Buttchug. The official poster child of r3v.

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                              • wazzu70
                                E30 Enthusiast
                                • Jan 2005
                                • 1143

                                #435
                                Originally posted by Dj Buttchug
                                my volt meter reads 13.5 however when data logging it reads less. Something doesnt seem right here.

                                I have a datalog from a drive i took the other day. Im not sure how to show it here.
                                If your coils are wired into the same voltage source as the ECU that would not be good then.

                                Both ignition and injection have issues at lower voltage. Injectors need more open time and ignition needs more dwell.

                                Does MS have battery voltage compensation?
                                -Nick

                                M42 on VEMS

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