My new POS

[DEV0 E30]

I just think they think you think that they think that you think one way and they think another and you think that it's wrong for them to think one way, don't you think?

Didn't make much sense, but that's what I see. Dave can do stuff that he wants is all, and you can respect people with less track experince. de oh en e.

[nando]

isn't heeter the guy who paid somebody to adjust his GC suspension? it wasn't that long ago either.. but now he knows everything. :)

[rwh11385]

No need for another engine - the M20 does pretty good, especially if you lighten its load by a couple hundred lbs. Of course you won't be the fastest car on the track, but there's nothing wrong with that. Actually, you learn more (in my opinion) by driving a lower hp car, as it will teach you to conserve momentum much better. At least in the beginners ranks, drivers of high hp cars can get away with taking bad lines & still get seemingly decent laptimes since they can make up for slow cornering with high speeds on the straights. I'd highly recommend an e30 for your purpose.

As for setup, I would recommend the spec e30 suspension (H&R race springs, Bilstein sport shocks/struts, and ST swaybars. Of course many others will have many other thoughts on this...

Other things to do:

1) replace engine mounts
2) replace timing belt
3) get some decent brake pads
4) as mentioned, put the car on a diet

[MR 325]

and then neverbeens like you and Scott are talking shit when you have no idea. . . wtf?

Maybe it's YOU who has NO IDEA, ego man

[rwh11385]

actually, what i believe, say, and post fits with what instructors teach in BMWCCA driving school classrooms. i picked up on this shit from the old farts who repeated it here only to find it was exactly the same as what was being taught. (like when Charlie jokes about charging me everytime i sound like him...) you wouldn't know, you've never been. (but that doesn't keep you from arguing, i guess, likewise for Scott)

and what i've been saying in this thread matches with what my friend who time trials believes, and what the majority of anyone who tracks for a good amount of time would say. i'm the only one who jumps in to say it because all the r3v ricer and morons have scared most the older people away, besides Mario who has been posting a little in Scott's thread. . . which btw matches up with what i've been saying.


the only people who don't agree with this school of track philosophy are the track snob people who have a rollbar'ed and r-comp'ed e36 m3 or better with BBK and HP mods the 3rd time out on the track. they know nothing, and will never be better than "killer Bs". you just ignore them and don't let them trying to compare speeds affect you. and you don't want to become one of them. . .

these snobs are not my influences, my friends who are fast and skillful in A group or instruct are. a good amount of what i post is from people who have informed me and i'm passing it on, but not without some personal experience to back it up. and i may not have much now, but it's not like i'm going to stop. . . just the season is over

[Bavarian3]

At first I was going to step in and say something.... but then decided not to... Now I am..

First like a lot of people on here upgrade what is needed to be upgraded... if you want to add solid bushings be my guest... if you want to add sway bars... be my guest... it is your car and your money.

What Robert is trying to say (and what he didn't do, from my understanding) is drive the car stock first and then move up, add a bit. For street use, you can do what ever you want, mod away..... but for track use you will see that all that money you dumped into your car did not make y o u a better driver, it made the car better. I didn't read anywhere where Robert said you will be faster on the street or slower on the street because he doesn't care about that. He may come off as having a high ego, (a lot of us do) but if Charlie can stand him, give him a break.

One more thing, as for being a moderator on this board and acting like you have (Bimmerfanatik)... I mean you understand that people like you are supposed to set a standard? Or am I thinking about something else?

There is nothing wrong with replacing tired old parts on an E30... nothing at all.....

Can we end this pissing match?

[rwh11385]

thank you!!

that is exactly what i have been wanting to say all along.

[Bimmerfanatik]

One more thing, as for being a moderator on this board and acting like you have (Bimmerfanatik)... I mean you understand that people like you are supposed to set a standard? Or am I thinking about something else?

What standard is that? Letting arrogant people like Heeter act like Andretti and shit on people for wanting to mod their car before tracking the shit out of it in stock form?

I've given Heeter more than enough chances to cool down, and he's been banned more times than any other member on here. To say that I'm out of line as a moderator is uncalled for. I'm giving him the chance to bring his ego and attitude down a notch instead of just banning him, as I'd like to.

If this were an isolated event and I were arguing with him like this, I'd completely agree that I'm not setting the proper example as a moderator. However, in Heeter's case he's wearing on a lot of people's nerves, and he's been given more than enough warnings and second chances.

Rob, I do not under any circumstances disagree with ANY of your points. I have NO track experience, and have no clue what is involved, how it works, or what my car needs to even pass tech. That's why I posted the thread in the autox section - to ask what I should do. I did put in there that since the stock diff is already out, WHY not replace it with something a bit shorter, but as soon as the words "replace" or "upgrade" your immediate response is to attack them and begin your rant about how much more effective it is to drive a car as stock as possible. If I can spend $100 for a 2.93 LSD or $200 for a 3.25 LSD, I'd be more inclined to spend the extra $100. I'm NOT saying I should go in, pull parts that are perfectly fine on the car, and upgrade. But if I need a part, why not spend a LITTLE bit more and get something that will last longer and grow with me as I take classes?

Again, I need to state that I am in no way arguing with your points about driving the car with as few mods as possible and let your driving skills catch up. What I AM arguing with is your attitude, and the way you come across to people. Instead of having the "what a fucking moron, don't upgrade your car, you don't know shit, you've never been on the track" attitude, try and be more helpful and show us why. And just because we disagree doesn't make us morons. We're all here to learn. You've had the fortune of getting seat time. Share it, don't put us down for not doing the same - yet.

[rwh11385]

shit on people for wanting to mod their car before tracking the shit out of it in stock form?

you just don't get it. . . .
and you won't nor can't until you know better (and track yourself)

i tell people they shouldn't mod up their car before going out because they shouldn't. Mario (TIATO) has said the same thing, weren't you reading?? Charlie has said very similar things. . . etc etc

I have NO track experience, and have no clue what is involved, how it works,

see, there. you know what's up. why not be willing to listen, instead of name calling when someone is talking about something you don't know about, nor understand? the one reason you get away with arguing is because the majority of people here don't understand, so you can just blow this off as heeter's BS.

but as soon as the words "replace" or "upgrade" your immediate response is to attack them and begin your rant about how much more effective it is to drive a car as stock as possible.

did you read nothing of what TIATO posted? or Mike just now? I'm not the only one saying don't upgrade your car. Everyone who knows is. The only people agreeing with you that 'you might as well while you are at it' are the niave/ignorant people who haven't tracked themselves. . . doesn't that tell you something?? [i had the same thought process last fall when i was repairing my car and people tried to shoot it down, and i thought they were mean, but now i understand completely what they were saying.]


i completely agree you behave worse than what a mod should. you are actually a huge problem in this thread, instead of being part of the solution. why the hell did matt think you'd be a good mod in the first place?


i come off as having an ego? i don't. ask my instructors. i know my place. so stfu. i'm just trying to help people. i've stopped clowning on street kiddies for modding their car when they don't track, but i should sure as FUCK be able to help a bud get good direction when starting out instead of going astray. . .

for the most part, there is no way to explain it besides repeating the same shit over again until the people you are talking to get out to the track and hear it for themselves in the classroom, or experience firsthand them being the weakest link, not their car. then they know they need to improve themselves and focus on that, and not worry so much about their car. TIATO has just now after his 17th track day feels able to reach his car's limits, and it's a 318is!!

I didn't really believe it until i found out myself, as you can tell from my upgrading to a 4.10 LSD, which I might not have if I knew then what I know now. And if I didn't find a good 325is with GC's already, I would have happily began on a standard one with H&R springs and Bilstein sports. I nearly bought a silver one with such, but pounced on this car when I had the opportunity. Even if it had coilovers, I made sure to be on tiny 195s so that the limits would at least be lower, more reasonable.

how can one say "don't upgrade your car, you don't know how to drive it as is" without sounding like they have an ego??!? people just need to have thicker skin or more understanding so as not to get so fucking worked up over this, especially if they are a moderator!!! jeez

[PeaveyBassist]

I love Heeter.
I love Scottypoo.
I love peace. Why cant we give peace a chance guys? I WOULD ask Scott and Heeter to kiss and make up... BUT... Scott is MY man and he BETTER not be kissin ANYBODY else or I will kill him.

Will

[PeaveyBassist]

And btw... I havent done a track school. Prolly wont do one next spring like I was planning on. I like autox. I'm gonna keep autox-ing. AND I'm doin whatever the fuck I want to MY car. Whatever mods make me happy. And if somebody else doesnt like it... I will then present my balls to their mouth, and my balls will be sucked on. Thats right... I said it... What are ya gonna do NOW beyotch? :D

Will

[rwh11385]

sounds like you do date boys. offering your sack like that to the men on the board.

and you're a ho. at least come out if your Boss does.

[PeaveyBassist]

hey... the only "boys" I date are Scott. Alright? You're just jealous cus that one day at work when you came on to me, I pushed you off. Werd up mah nigs.

Will

[Dave]

Damn, I go away for a day or two, and this happens to my post!!!!!

Robert, chill - you are coming off like more of a prick than I know you to be.;)

Re-read what I said - any idea of engine stuff is WAY down the road. and its just an idea.

As for springs, my point on rates was I wanted something at or near the rates of the H&Rs.

And IIRC at Putnam, the passing zones save for the front straight are about long enough to let 2, MAYBE 3 cars by. Yours truly was at his first DE, without an instructor for the first time, with tires that were inspiring less than great confidence and was looking often at the mirrors. Couple that with the fact that I was for the first time in a run group with people other than HPDE1 and yeah, I was one of the slowest out there. And I was pointing by as needed, but I was not going to stop the car between 7 and 8 and let 10 cars by.

BTW, one of the times I tried to let alex by on the front, he didn't take the pass.


God its hilarious how people react to screen names and the words they put on a forum.!!!!!!!! Scott, its all cool - I know Heeter and know what value to put on what he says. Some of it is good, some of it is him trying to tell the world about his racing exploits as a track rat.

[Digitalwave]

This thread makes my head spin.