2.8L M20 9.8:1 stroker build: my 323i reincarnated

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  • 2mAn
    Moderator
    • Aug 2010
    • 20032

    #241
    Originally posted by betz
    issue is fixed! Looks like it was the exhaust vibrating a heat shield at higher rpms. Was kind of a useless heat shield so... Bye!

    Oh man it's actually like, way noticeably different. Not afraid to rev the engine at all now. I feel like takumi after he installs the new tach for his engine lmao.

    I'm gonna skip on down to the dyno now. Will update with appointment. :)
    yes!!!
    Simon
    Current Cars:
    -1966 Lotus Elan
    -1986 German Car
    -2006 Volkswagen Jetta TDI

    Make R3V Great Again -2020

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    • betz
      Grease Monkey
      • May 2016
      • 317

      #242
      Dyno day is scheduled for Thursday the 15th.
      '86 Burgundrot 325 2.8 stroker.

      Build thread

      Other cars:
      2000 Porsche Boxster
      2006 Subaru Outback XT 5MT
      1972 Porsche 914

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      • wworm
        E30 Mastermind
        • Dec 2016
        • 1719

        #243
        Stoked.
        1984 Delphin 318i 2 door

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        • 2mAn
          Moderator
          • Aug 2010
          • 20032

          #244
          Originally posted by betz
          Dyno day is scheduled for Thursday the 15th.


          I marked my calendar



          I will share the news with my cousin though I doubt he will give a sh!t
          Simon
          Current Cars:
          -1966 Lotus Elan
          -1986 German Car
          -2006 Volkswagen Jetta TDI

          Make R3V Great Again -2020

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          • wworm
            E30 Mastermind
            • Dec 2016
            • 1719

            #245
            lol like a true forum dad
            1984 Delphin 318i 2 door

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            • 2mAn
              Moderator
              • Aug 2010
              • 20032

              #246
              Originally posted by 2mAn
              I marked my calendar



              I will share the news with my cousin though I doubt he will give a sh!t
              Originally posted by wworm
              lol like a true forum dad
              Yes, and ... its time to pay the piper.

              Lets see the plot
              Simon
              Current Cars:
              -1966 Lotus Elan
              -1986 German Car
              -2006 Volkswagen Jetta TDI

              Make R3V Great Again -2020

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              • betz
                Grease Monkey
                • May 2016
                • 317

                #247
                Originally posted by 2mAn
                Yes, and ... its time to pay the piper.

                Lets see the plot
                Welp I got good news and bad news.

                Good news is nothing blew up and I got a plot.

                Bad news, seems like this issue I thought went away has definitely not. I get what kind of seems like a fuel cut at 4700 RPM, the tach shoots down then back up. The motor will continue going but the dyno thinks it's backing off so I didn't get to measure it all the way to 6500+. Since I rarely experienced this on the road, we thought it had to do with the load, which it didn't since the last pull he put it at basically nothing. Will try and sort it out, shouldn't be *too* hard.

                Super nice dyno, it seems to measure or estimate crank hp actually. Looks like I'm getting 182 ft*lbs at 3825 RPM and 162 hp where the tach cuts at 4660 RPM. We estimated that peak HP is at least about 200. Edit: see post below for graph

                Last edited by betz; 03-21-2018, 01:00 PM. Reason: took pic out for screenshot
                '86 Burgundrot 325 2.8 stroker.

                Build thread

                Other cars:
                2000 Porsche Boxster
                2006 Subaru Outback XT 5MT
                1972 Porsche 914

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                • Vic
                  Noobie
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 34

                  #248
                  Originally posted by CharlieVu
                  Wow! Read the first 5 pages and can’t wait to finish the other 19 tomo on my lunch. Most of the language n parts is gibberish to me right now but you’ve got me wanting to learn what all of this does for the block. Sorry about the 323 but know, it all happens for a reason!


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                  I've owned 4 xt's (currently own 2) I think the banjo bolt screen issue is due to pure negligence on the owner. I work at a Subaru Dealership, and anytime I've seen a turbo issue it was due to using conventional oil and almost certainly going over the 3750 mileage interval, and not topping off when needed. THESE CARS USE OIL! Check every fill up.

                  Otherwise I agree with awdbob in every way. OEM parts only for timing belt job... Leave water pump alone as they rarely ever leak! Rear struts are known for blowing out at 100k. kyb Gr2 from an '04 outback work great! Beefier rear swaybar and rear rallitek springs worked well for me too. Cool subie and cool BMW! I'm currently building a stroker for my e30. This thread got me excited!

                  Btw If you ever want more power in the XT I have a Cobb access port and a catless up pipe that I'm looking to get rid of. Best of luck!

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                  • Digitalwave
                    is a poseur
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 6276

                    #249
                    Especially with your tach dropping out, I would wager that you're having a CPS signal issue. Check the resistance, check the air gap between the toothed wheel, and pray that it is not a problem in the wiring somewhere. A new metal body CPS is about $140. I've heard a lot of bad things about the cheaper plastic body ones.

                    RISING EDGE

                    Let's drive fast and have fun.

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                    • sert57
                      Advanced Member
                      • May 2014
                      • 170

                      #250
                      man seems like deja-vu to my build! Hope your issue is an easier fix though. Torque curve looks really promising, I bet this thing will make a lot of power when you get it sorted out!

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                      • betz
                        Grease Monkey
                        • May 2016
                        • 317

                        #251
                        Here's a better screencap of the best dyno run, since I just received the PDFs. Swapping out ECU and hopefully that will solve the issue.
                        '86 Burgundrot 325 2.8 stroker.

                        Build thread

                        Other cars:
                        2000 Porsche Boxster
                        2006 Subaru Outback XT 5MT
                        1972 Porsche 914

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                        • 2mAn
                          Moderator
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 20032

                          #252
                          Originally posted by betz
                          Here's a better screencap of the best dyno run, since I just received the PDFs. Swapping out ECU and hopefully that will solve the issue.
                          What ECU are you swapping in?
                          Simon
                          Current Cars:
                          -1966 Lotus Elan
                          -1986 German Car
                          -2006 Volkswagen Jetta TDI

                          Make R3V Great Again -2020

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                          • digger
                            R3V Elite
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 5908

                            #253
                            Originally posted by betz
                            Here's a better screencap of the best dyno run, since I just received the PDFs. Swapping out ECU and hopefully that will solve the issue.
                            That's way too rich as well as what ever ignition / cps issue is killing it

                            Also the numbers are going to be lower than you probably think but you can't compare to a dynojet anyway as they will be 5-10% lower from what I have seen
                            Last edited by digger; 03-22-2018, 02:18 AM.
                            89 E30 325is Lachs Silber - currently M20B31, M20B33 in the works, stroked to the hilt...

                            new build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=317505

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                            • betz
                              Grease Monkey
                              • May 2016
                              • 317

                              #254
                              Originally posted by digger
                              That's way too rich as well as what ever ignition / cps issue is killing it

                              Also the numbers are going to be lower than you probably think but you can't compare to a dynojet anyway as they will be 5-10% lower from what I have seen
                              The subsequent runs were even richer actually... about .72 Lambda. I have an adjustable FPR now.. not sure if that has anything to do with it (probably not, it's probably the injectors) but I can dial it down a little if need be. Ultimately it will have to be sorted out through tuning though.

                              Sorry to disappoint 2man but it's just another 173 ECU. I really want to do a full standalone... I've been looking into some other PNP options but nobody seems to be doing it anymore. Might have to sink it all into a MSPNP. Problem is, if I get one, I know the $800 isn't going to be the end of it. It will be more live tuning and dyno time.. which means emptying my wallet yet again :(
                              '86 Burgundrot 325 2.8 stroker.

                              Build thread

                              Other cars:
                              2000 Porsche Boxster
                              2006 Subaru Outback XT 5MT
                              1972 Porsche 914

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                              • betz
                                Grease Monkey
                                • May 2016
                                • 317

                                #255
                                aw maaaaaan... It's not the ECU, I knew it. At least not a bad ECU...

                                Here's the issue

                                Just another quick soul searching montage and I'll have it figured out.
                                '86 Burgundrot 325 2.8 stroker.

                                Build thread

                                Other cars:
                                2000 Porsche Boxster
                                2006 Subaru Outback XT 5MT
                                1972 Porsche 914

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