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325ic Calypso Euro Conversion - Houndstooth & dbilas now, MT1 & MM 3.2 stroker coming
OEM+ or bust! reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30 e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.
I picked up a 2nd HLCS system for my IX coupe a while back - well a regular dual tank headlamp washer setup, plus the IX thin intensive clean bottle. The IX version re-uses the battery tray mounted windshield washer tank. I mention that because I have the harness, intensive clean wiper stalk etc lying around so I can study them.
If you haven't tried installing one of these systems, it's a bit confusing. There's some info online if you know where to look, but nothing really clear.
japandrew's original HLCS retrofit thread on e30tech, with missing pics
S14.net question on intensive clean wiring, with a harness pic
here's the wiring diagram I found 2-3 years ago that shows how the headlamp washer system is connected (I added the annotations, correcting some mistakes on the original) EDIT: This diagram is from the Haynes E30 repair manual
good luck figuring it out lol.
EDIT It's all working now. Will post a DIY with all this info.
Fortunately I have the 2 sets of harnesses to compare so we can match everything up.
OEM+ or bust! reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30 e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.
In order to figure out that diagram we need to go back to the original wiring diagrams. Key to the whole thing is knowing that the wiper washer switch works by connecting to ground when you pull the wiper stalk. That's why BMW chose a brown wire with black stripe for the switch (brown is ground on german cars as you all know - right?).
So basically to interpret the diagram you need to follow the wire colors. You also need to figure out how the intensive clean switch works (the "S" button on the end of the wiper stalk).
On my vert the intensive clean pump never activated. Everything else in the HLCS works fine, but hitting the intensive clean button on the end of the wiper stalk just acted like pulling the wiper stalk towards you to spray your windshield. Kinda defeats the purpose of retrofitting all this stuff.
Here's a view of the tank and nearby wiring as installed
So anyway I dug out the 2nd HLCS harness and compared it to the one I installed in the convertible. Turns out the 2nd harness looks like the one in the S14.net post.
Ther 2 harnesses use different connectors, and some of the wires are different color in one section. Electrically they're wired up the same way though. Here are the main differences:
-- euro style connectors for the wiper motors on the 2nd harness. The wiper motors themselves have different connections on them too.
newer motor for the 2nd harness
-- round 2 pin connector on the driver side with grey/white and brown/grey wires (that brown/grey wire is the key to the intensive clean function as you'll see). the as installed harness had a flat 2 pin connector just like the stock radio harness
-- wiring is to the 3 washer pumps is the SAME as the installed harness. there are 3 different wire pairs for each of the pumps
brown/black and violet/black for the main washer pump
brown/grey and violet/black for the intensive clean pump
solid brown and solid blue for the back washer pump
-- same setup as installed, but the intensive clean pump never turns on.
EDIT: I missed extending a brown/grey wire from the driver's side 2 pin connector on the HLCS harness up to the PS terminal of the K10 relay. read on for more info.
OEM+ or bust! reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30 e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.
The last part of the wiring that's different are the control unit connections. The only difference I see is that there are pink/yellow wires connected to pin 15 in my current setup and violet/black to that pin on the 2nd harness.
control unit connectors on installed harness - the pink/yellow, yellow/black, grey/white and brown wires come from the front harness
2nd harness with the newer washer connectors - top row is identical to installed harness, lower left has different color wires. the connector is rotated 90 degrees counter-clockwise compared to the installed harness pic
Even though the color is the same between pins 15 and 53a on the 2nd harness, they are not connected electrically.. the pin 53a wires go to the washer motors and the others to the front harness. I don't think this really affects anything, but in this respect the color coding on the 2nd harness is confusing. I assume pins 15 and 53a get connected by the control unit when power is applied.
it's also interesting that the intensive clean brown/grey wire does not go to the control unit mounted on the washer bottle. on the 2nd harness it goes straight to the intensive clean pump all the way from the driver's side of the car. so basically the "S" button goes to the K10 intensive clean relay in the fuse box, and then straight to the intensive clean pump. this is the circuit that's missing in my setup.
So bottom line, here's the washer bottle control module wiring:
85 - brown/black (washer stalk)
58 - grey/white (power to washer system on driver's side)
53 - black/yellow (to headlamp washer motor)
53a - purple/black
31 - brown (ground)
15 - pink/yellow on installed harness, purple/black on 2nd/newer harness
just to add some final confusion to all this, the schematic I posted a couple of spots earlier matches my installed wiring, but not the 2nd harness. It even shows the violet/black wires bridged together between the intensive clean pump and the front washer pump.
Oh and since you're dying to know - Streuscheiben-reinigungsgeber means "lenses-cleaning encoder" per google translate - headlamp cleaning control unit.
EDIT: Other than the wire insulator color difference for pin 15, the harnesses are electrically the same.
OEM+ or bust! reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30 e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.
thanks! Need to get some other stuff out of the way and replenish the budget.. so hope to have it the MT1 done by September. I'll do some trial fitting before then. The parts definitely need some repair and prep before they're ready for paint.
All the hardware is finally here finally except for one lower reinforcement. I'm reusing my chrome bumper trim so no MT1 versions of those - front left end cap is NLA anyway afaik. Also gonna re-purpose my old re-chromed euro bumpers and paint them calypso. We'll see which look wins out!
OEM+ or bust! reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30 e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.
thanks Raul.. more HLCS stuff for everyone as I figure things out.
quick review of the standard wiper setup helps explain what all the wires do.
I prefer this version as it shows everything concisely
You can clearly see the 4 stock wires on the wiper switch and K10 relay in the diagram and what they do, but for HLCS the important wires are the brown/black (washer switch input) and violet/black (fast wipe input).
This pic shows the wires on the intensive clean stalk, both on the connector and the switch body. note 2 things:
1) the colors match the stock drawing for 4 of the wires
2) there are 2 extra black wires. these go to the S switch at the end of the stalk. A simple check with a meter shows the switch is normally open (i.e. when you push it the 2 black wires are connected).
you already know the HLCS K10 relay has 2 extra pins, PS and TS. Note the numbering under the relay matches the stock wire numbers. This really helps you figure things out.
HLCS install requires you to wire those 2 pins. the stock colors for the wires are supposed to be Brown/Blue for TS, Brown/Grey for PS. This pic shows the mod, and also shows the stock wiper relay wires which is really helpful.
The 2 fuse box PS and TS wires then go to the black wires on the intensive clean stalk. Supporting info (other than I know it works)
- the stock wiper switch receptacle has 2 extra slots for the intensive clean wires, which match the 2 black wires.
- that's exactly what the headlamp wiring diagram shows - PS and TS go from the fuse box to the wiper switch, PS also goes to the brown/grey HLCS harness wire and eventually the intensive clean pump
So I did the switch part of this originally (you can see those 2 extra fuse box wires changed colors, because I was re-using some headlamp bushing wires I had laying around), but I didn't do the intensive clean pump connection.
So of course this never worked as intended, since the brown/grey wire is not getting from the S switch to the intense clean motor. Once I added that leg of the circuit everything worked as intended.
OEM+ or bust! reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30 e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.
-- as installed the 2 front pumps have brown/black and violet/black wires, and the back washer pump has the same solid blue and solid brown wires. Basically the front washer pump and intensive clean pump appear to be connected together, but the intensive clean pump never turns on.
Uhh, that's not true. take a close look at the pic on the left. that is a BROWN/GREY wire, exactly what's supposed to be there.
I've cleaned up the previous posts above, and everything is working correctly now.
My problem was forgetting to extend the brown/grey wire from the driver side headlight area up to the fuse box.
YES, the PS and TS wires must short via the S switch for the intensive clean pump to turn on.
so hurray for me, but I still don't know how that brown/grey wire got to the intensive clean pump lol.
OEM+ or bust! reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30 e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.
OEM+ or bust! reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30 e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.
OEM+ or bust! reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30 e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.
OEM+ or bust! reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30 e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.
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