Gordon Murray Automotive

[2mAn]

Are you reading my mind? ... lol I actually was looking at some Elises again, but I have another idea Im working on right now... because Im stupid

[SOneThreeCoupe]

i’ve basically given up on the T 43 that he had talked about so I will have to build one myself LOL

LHD Lotus Elise S1 (MMC rotor reproduction run when, Lotus?) or an '05 Elise with some aftermarket modifications. The S1 should tip the scales somewhere around 1620lbs and a lot of the known problems have fixes; cost would be an issue as you'd have to have it made legal for CA. I'd have Shaikh at Fat Cat build a custom set of springs and dampers for either option to ensure good ride/handling compromise on SoCal roads and I'd not stray away from 175s/185s for tires as anything wider really impacts steering feel.

The T43 would be more survivable in a crash but ultimately speaking, that's outside the realm of us mere mortals to produce and the survivability in a crash with a Suburban or F-250 is likely low no matter what.

[It's Soda Not Pop]

This is something that I'm glad exists, even though I could never afford one (not unless I liquidated everything and lived in it, lol), and I don't really care about supercars otherwise.

Yeah, it'll probably be bought by private equity investment funds and crypto bros, never driven like it was meant to be. But maybe at least one person will appreciate it and drive it like they stole it!

I'm the same I'm glad it exists.

[rturbo 930]

The T.50 isn't built on this platform, so I don't think those cars are included in the 300 count.

[2mAn]

I’ve been watching the YouTubers’ long interviews and he said something during the interview with Harry of Harry’s garage that made me laugh.He said, “the whole idea with GMA is to make cars that people want to use and we don’t want to give them a reason not to“ yet with 100 models starting at just 1.3 million I don’t think anyone is really going to put any miles on these cars.

Another gem that I caught during his Carfection interview was that he mentioned the engine and platform were going to be limited to a total of 300 units. The T.33 makes that total to 200 revealed, so this next one (which is likely to be a hybrid) will be the final version so expect a V 12 hybrid coming soon.
i’ve basically given up on the T 43 that he had talked about so I will have to build one myself LOL

[roguetoaster]

Called it on the looks. The rear end is great, and I can see what he was trying to achieve with the front, but I think he missed the mark.

That's no way to talk about MrBurgundy 's GF.

[E30SPDFRK]

Called it on the looks. The rear end is great, and I can see what he was trying to achieve with the front, but I think he missed the mark. It looks too long and kitcar-ish.

Again, mechanically, it's an amazing car. But I lust over the looks of cars, not the mechanicals. An F40 is a turbo tractor underneath, but that doesn't stop anyone from putting it at the top of their favorite cars list.

[SOneThreeCoupe]

The T43 (his lightweight sportscar concept) was initially designed for production by GMA but I think Murray saw the writing on the wall- he was never going to get funding for a lightweight, relatively-low-powered sportscar. He was, however, able to get funding for a pair of massively expensive supercars. Gordon said he wants to sell the T43 project to a major manufacturer.

I don't really see it happening as an ICE.

The T50 and T33 mean nothing to me other than interesting supercars. I appreciate Murray's attention to detail and making the best-driving supercars out there, but ultimately... who gives a shit? If I'm on a track I want a track car and for Southern California twisties, no supercar is going to be worth a damn (I don't drive the LA roads so LA guys' mileage may vary). I just want something tactile and tossable that doesn't punish me over roots and ruts.

[lukeADE335i]

I had the F40 and the Mclaren F1 on a poster as a kid (and still do), do kids even have car posters anymore?

Most probably don’t - I had a flat nose Porsche 930 turbo on my wall. Still, my son is quite in to cars - he has loved Lamborghinis since he was small, he just expresses that through playing video games like ‘Project Cars 3’ on the Playstation. He’s been hotting up and racing an EVO 6 on there recently, and was excitedly telling me how he’s going to buy an AE86 next in the game, but it has everything from 80s cars to modern exotics. Every time we joke about winning the lottery he always asks if I’ll buy a Lamborghini - to which I always reply, no I’ll buy a Porsche.

If kids are going to get into the Gordon Murray cars it will probably be through sim racing of some sort.

[nando]

This is something that I'm glad exists, even though I could never afford one (not unless I liquidated everything and lived in it, lol), and I don't really care about supercars otherwise.

Yeah, it'll probably be bought by private equity investment funds and crypto bros, never driven like it was meant to be. But maybe at least one person will appreciate it and drive it like they stole it!

[e30davie]

The Gordon Murray cars are engineering works of art. For most we might one day be able to afford a photo of one. No idea where he gets his cash but all the power to him to be able to build these "one man's vision" cars. as opposed to design by accountants. The cars are absolutely amazing. And the more i read about the Mclaren F1 the more details come out too.

I had the F40 and the Mclaren F1 on a poster as a kid (and still do), do kids even have car posters anymore? is the T50 going to be on some kids wall? I'm not convinced. Those days might be over. So what is it then? Just an extremely expensive exclusive thing that only a few rich old people in the world can afford, and even fewer actually get one. I very much appreciate the engineering side of it sure, v12 manual - epic. But even if you wanted one you cant have as I'm sure they are already sold out anyway. And I assume very few are going to people who will use them all the time, most going to collectors who will store away and sell at a profit in 2yrs time. More comparable to faberge' egg than a car really.

In saying that though. I have just checked my youtube subscriptions and it seems everyone got to have an interview with Gordon about this new one and i will be watching all of them. Because its a v12 manual! with a fan! (there's that kid in me coming out)

[2mAn]

I havent given up hope that he would still build that 'affordable' sports car but Im definitely feeling it now. Especially since he said that from here on out they will be a hybrid of some sort...

[rturbo 930]

Yeah that criticism I can understand. He was supposed to come out with some 3cyl turbo affordable sports car that was going to compete with the Boxster or something, but it seems the plans have been shelved. As I said, I don't really like supercars, most of them I just don't find very impressive, since they're pretty much the same thing over and over, but with more power and more modern styling. They're not really innovative anymore. Another thing I hate is this constant battle for who can make the most powerful supercar. At what point will more power no longer be able to be used as a sales pitch? When does it become just a numbers game? I'd say we're pretty much there. None of these cars can be driven even close to their limits on the street, or by average drivers. I'd much rather see a return to simple, mechanical, moderately powered sports cars that are reasonably priced. In other words, a brand new vintage car. No on will do it though.

That said I still like the T.50 and especially the design philosophy that went into it. And it has no turbos and a manual trans. I don't care if there's no trickle down tech in it, I like it because it's cool, and well designed, and personally I think it looks good. As for the purpose it serves, I'd argue that super cars don't really serve a purpose in general. They're luxury toys. That's it.

[roguetoaster]

Kinda surprised the T.50 isn't getting more love here, it's a super light, well thought out supercar with an NA V12 revving to 12k. What's not to like? I don't typically like supercars, but I'm impressed by that one. There isn't another one like it.

Relevant video on the T.33: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILycsqvRnb4

Maybe because it's far beyond affordable for just about every automotive enthusiast, so we find any excuse to not like it?

To me, it ultimately serves no real purpose, trickles down no tech to realistically attainable models, and will just become another collectible commodity for people who won't use it for fear of diminishing the value of their investment.

I'm just tired of enthusiasts being expected to idolize stuff we can't have, while at the same time being served overpriced steaming piles of garbage at a pricepoint we can realistically work with in the newish car market. So, yeah, rich guys that can afford it, good for you, but you might as well have a Prius instead as far as I am concerned.

Grrr.

[2mAn]

A little disappointed ...again....

T.33 was a "clean sheet" design but limited to 100 units, and also a nearly identical V12