Man carrying assault weapon attends Obama protest

[kronus]

This thread turned out pretty much exactly the way I expected it to.

[Joey Link]

Semantics, but I'll give it to you.

Totally different, but that's OK.

Name 1 right you've lost.

There are many, but here's one; The right to purchase a new firearm without the government recording and approving the transaction. The founding fathers would shit if they knew we allowed this to happen. That's as stupid as letting lobbyists write the rules regarding lobbying.

Actually if you care to read what I said a little more closely, I suggested that if you prefer fascism you should move to a fascist country.

That is quite different than getting rid of everyone who has a different opinion than yourself.

I think you should read up on what facism is. Here, I looked it up for you:

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>

That sounds like tyranny to me, exactly what I was trying to explain to you the other night in the kitchen. The founding fathers, myself, and most of the people in this thread prefer liberty to tyranny, you're the one who is espousing fascist viewpoints, regulation, and theory.

[CorvallisBMW]

There are many, but here's one; The right to purchase a new firearm without the government recording and approving the transaction. The founding fathers would shit if they knew we allowed this to happen. That's as stupid as letting lobbyists write the rules regarding lobbying.

That's not a right you've lost. You never had it. The constitution does not guarantee you the right to walk in to a gun store and buy a gun without the government recording the transaction, it guarantees you the right to bear arms. Registering the sale does not infringe on your right to bear arms in any way whatsoever. You're still bearing it, right?

[Pinepig]

That sounds like tyranny to me, exactly what I was trying to explain to you the other night in the kitchen. The founding fathers, myself, and most of the people in this thread prefer liberty to tyranny, you're the one who is espousing fascist viewpoints, regulation, and theory.

Ouch, that ought to leave a mark.

[Joey Link]

Yes, because US government is secretly trying to revoke the entire bill of rights, and the only thing stopping them is you and your guns. Because you and your buddies are going to take on the US Army.

Seemed to work well for the Confederacy.

Que crazy redneck conspiracy theories.

Anyone with a basic understanding of history knows the natural trend of ALL governments is toward more control over it's citizenry. I would bet my assets without the bill of rights this country would look VERY different right now, and not in a good way. You and other liberals seem to think we should be following what other countries are doing, yet you forget that America is responsible for the liberty many people in modern civilizations enjoy. The bill of rights and the constitution was revolutionary when it was still created, and it still is. You think the people of the nations you put up on a pedestal have rights? They have only the rights their government allows them to have. How's is that freedom?

[Pinepig]

That's not a right you've lost. You never had it. The constitution does not guarantee you the right to walk in to a gun store and buy a gun without the government recording the transaction, it guarantees you the right to bear arms. Registering the sale does not infringe on your right to bear arms in any way whatsoever. You're still bearing it, right?

Shall not be MOTHERFUCKING infringed. Yep it's lost.

Weren't you arguing just a few posts ago I was having problems understanding the written words of your post.

There's your threefer, We have a new champion, Holmes is off the hook.

[Joey Link]

That's not a right you've lost. You never had it. The constitution does not guarantee you the right to walk in to a gun store and buy a gun without the government recording the transaction, it guarantees you the right to bear arms. Registering the sale does not infringe on your right to bear arms in any way whatsoever. You're still bearing it, right?

So if I severely regulated who, how, and when someone could post something to the internet, but eventually they jumped through all the hoops and successfully posted, then their right wasn't infringed? How about the people who didn't pass the litmus test?

You really know nothing about the Constitution or the principles behind any of this, do you?

[CorvallisBMW]

... yet you forget that America is responsible for the liberty many people in modern civilizations enjoy. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_carta

Actually, this is. The American constitutional government and bill of rights are based on this.

[mrsleeve]

Jesus Christ you are dense. Yes its in the nature that all govts grow and seek to gather more and more power in the govt and remove it from the people. The Founding Fathers knew this and thus they put the right to bear arms right behind the right to speak freely and say what we wish and make our voices heard to our govt , even if its a dissenting view, with out fear that would put to death or put into prison.

Got news for you if shit hits the fan it will start in the Military and yes I would stand with them and defend my country form all enemies foreign and Domestic even if its our our Federal govt that has become to perverted from what it was intended to b, and shit hits the fan. Just as many untold millions of normal Americans will do.

Yes, because US government is secretly trying to revoke the entire bill of rights, and the only thing stopping them is you and your guns. Because you and your buddies are going to take on the US Army.

Seemed to work well for the Confederacy.

Que crazy redneck conspiracy theories.

[Pinepig]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_carta

Actually, this is. The American constitutional government and bill of rights are based on this.

Go and read the very first line of the Wiki you posted up pay close attention to these words, Great Charter of Freedoms, what exactly does that mean to you. To me it does not mean "You have the freedom as long as we tell you it's OK"

[CorvallisBMW]

It always amazes me how many far-right-wingers there are on R3V.

Obviously none of us are going to change each others minds. And I'm bored of arguing with rednecks.

I'm going to bed. Didn't get much sleep last night after Joey chiefed me with my shoes OFF! ;)

fucker :)

[Joey Link]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_carta

Actually, this is. The American constitutional government and bill of rights are based on this.

It is true that the Magna Carta influenced the Constitution, but it was only one of many other influences, such as the writings of John Locke. However, while they're similar in that they both restrict the powers of government, the Constitution is a whole different animal, and it itself influenced many of the countries to follow in the lead of America and England.

[mrsleeve]

How the fuck are Ultra Right Wingers.


Oh yeah if your a commie, us centralist with a slight right bias would seem ultra right wing to you

[Pinepig]

It always amazes me how many far-right-wingers there are on R3V.

Obviously none of us are going to change each others minds. And I'm bored of arguing with rednecks.

I'm going to bed. Didn't get much sleep last night after Joey chiefed me with my shoes OFF! ;)

fucker :)

It always amazes me how folks like you automatically assume that somebody that stands for freedom is a far right winger ( or a redneck you racist fuck ). Does that mean that folks against freedom are left wing?

I'm a hard core libertarian, individual responsibility ( and the freedom that it brings ) is king.

[Massimo]

That's not a right you've lost. You never had it. The constitution does not guarantee you the right to walk in to a gun store and buy a gun without the government recording the transaction, it guarantees you the right to bear arms. Registering the sale does not infringe on your right to bear arms in any way whatsoever. You're still bearing it, right?