D.C. sniper executed

[kishg]

I can at least agree with you on this point.

not to open an entirely new can of worms, it's a question of when you consider conscious life to begin. at conception or birth. i am against very late term abortions but i also believe in two things a) it's a decision for states not federal whether to allow abortion or not and b) it's a decision of the mother whether to have one or not.

[thereisnoyun]

we need Gerald Butler.

[BDSax]

man, some of you people are ridiculous. if someone killed your mom, dad, brother, sister, etc......, wouldnt you want that piece of shit to die????

ill tell you what, if someone killed my wife or anyone in my family, i would kill them myself and save the state some time and money. This country is falling apart because of you people that , "want to help the poor people". yeah, lets treat the defendent as the victim. we need the hanging system back.

[LBJefferies]

man, some of you people are ridiculous. if someone killed your mom, dad, brother, sister, etc......, wouldnt you want that piece of shit to die????

ill tell you what, if someone killed my wife or anyone in my family, i would kill them myself and save the state some time and money. This country is falling apart because of you people that , "want to help the poor people". yeah, lets treat the defendent as the victim. we need the hanging system back.

There are so many flaws in this argument I don't even know where to start.

[BDSax]

There are so many flaws in this argument I don't even know where to start.

flaws? how hard is it to punish someone that kills?

[e30vert]

I ask myself , "What does this convicted killer contribute to our society"? Does he make it better in any way or has he in the past? Clearly - NO! Has he done things to diminish the society and its members? Clearly - YES! Did he kill in a premeditated fashion by "planning out" the method in which he would kill random people? - YES!

Should we not "plan out" the method in which he will be held accountable. YES!

So my plan would be to allow a trained sniper to fire upon him while he was allowed to run free on a grassy hillside or some open space. I would televise this process and not tell him that there was a trained sniper a few hundred yards away.

I value the lives of people who aim to make this society a better place. In any small way is fine. Or at least keeping it neutral and not actively seeking to bring it down.

If we all acted in that fashion think of how great a place the world would be.

Glad he's gone , sad I could not have participated in the neutralization of the threat!

[LBJefferies]

flaws? how hard is it to punish someone that kills?

Because it's not as simple as just executing the person.

As was said before, there are money issues and moral issues and there are flaws in our justice system which allow innocent people to be executed and guilty people go free. I would much rather a guilty person be free than an innocent person be executed.

[TexasTerp]

True, the clogged courts/appeals system is a major problem. Is that avg cost of prison based on low/medium/high security prison? City/County/State/Fed jail?

Based on those numbers, the avg prisoner costs around $19k a year to house. But that's averaged. So far I'm having trouble (quickly) trying to find the numbers for violent offenders in state and federal institutions. And that is who we are talking about, convicted murderers/rapists, etc.

Not someone who ends up in the city jail for 45 days for the their 3rd DUI.

All of these numbers are averages for inmates in Maximum Security Prisons based on Full Life Sentences with and without parole. My understanding and I have yet to find anything to the contrary is that these numbers are based on State and Federal Maximum Security Prisons.

Oh I get it, we should keep him alive because its cheaper. What about the rest of what I posted, please give me a reason why he should remain alive and not in the ground rotting?

Economically yeah, that it s the reason. I have already stated in this thread about why he should remain alive, I'll repeat: it is morally and ethically wrong to murder anyone for any reason, regardless of present or past actions. Executing murderers (rapists, etc) does absolutely nothing to bring back what a victim has lost both physically and mentally. Executing them merely lowers us to they're level. If we are to survive as a civilized and intellectual people, we are to remove these people from society by a means other than the ones that led to their removal. [**notice I have no mention of religion in this]

not to open an entirely new can of worms, it's a question of when you consider conscious life to begin. at conception or birth. i am against very late term abortions but i also believe in two things a) it's a decision for states not federal whether to allow abortion or not and b) it's a decision of the mother whether to have one or not.

yeah, this is definitely something we'll disagree on and open up a whole new issue. I agree it's best to stay away from this argument.

man, some of you people are ridiculous. if someone killed your mom, dad, brother, sister, etc......, wouldnt you want that piece of shit to die????

ill tell you what, if someone killed my wife or anyone in my family, i would kill them myself and save the state some time and money. This country is falling apart because of you people that , "want to help the poor people". yeah, lets treat the defendent as the victim. we need the hanging system back.

There are so many flaws in this argument I don't even know where to start.

+10000 to LBJefferies.

[Scotaku]

Fuck John Allen Mohammed. I am glad that piece of shit has departed my planet.

You pussies who want to coddle murderers can line your asses up, open YOUR wallets, and care and feed the psychos all day and night. When you're ready to come back to the Real World, we'll be waiting. We won't make you pull the switch if you don't want to, but if you do, get in line.

[kishg]

yeah, this is definitely something we'll disagree on and open up a whole new issue. I agree it's best to stay away from this argument.

hehe.. i don't have an issue with discussing it but this is probably not the thread for it.

[mrsleeve]

Of course you are

i'm against the death penalty in principle

Good!!!!!!!!! Start killing more violent offenders, in much shorter appeal periods, Saves tons of tax dollars and just actually may become a deterrent again.

[Raxe]

So you're at the bar with your girl, you've had a few beers and you're standing on the patio having a smoke. A couple of slimy looking, intoxicated douchebags come up and start talking shit about you and your girlfriend. You tell them to fuck off, but they laugh and one of them grabs her arm. Out of sheer reaction you punch him, hitting him in the side of the head and knocking him to the ground. He bangs his head on the concrete and ends up dying as a direct result of your action.

Are you alright with being executed? Surely you can't POSSIBLY expect taxpayers to coddle YOU and allow YOU to serve your sentence behind bars. It's far too expensive and just not worth it, right?

[TexasTerp]

hehe.. i don't have an issue with discussing it but this is probably not the thread for it.

ha! it's pretty much not the right people to discuss it with, if this thread is any indication of that...

[dirty30]

I think most of us are talking about heinous crimes like the one at hand. This strange situation you've concocted here is far out of the relm of "heinous." Take for example the man who mistook his wife a few weeks back for an intruder and shot and killed her. That is an accident.... Shooting people from a concealed location is a hell of alot different.

Texasterp: Morals? Ethics?? We are talking about a fucking serial killer here for fucks sake!! Get off your pedestal, this is a sick disgusting world we live in what don't you understand!!

So you're at the bar with your girl, you've had a few beers andyou're standing on the patio having a smoke. A couple of slimy looking, intoxicated douchebags come up and start talking shit about you and your girlfriend. You tell them to fuck off, but they laugh and one of them grabs her arm. Out of sheer reaction you punch him, hitting him in the side of the head and knocking him to the ground. He bangs his head on the concrete and ends up dying as a direct result of your action.

Are you alright with being executed? Surely you can't POSSIBLY expect taxpayers to coddle YOU and allow YOU to serve your sentence behind bars. It's far too expensive and just not worth it, right?

[Pinepig]

but they laugh and one of them grabs her arm.

Assault

Out of sheer reaction you punch him,

Defense, dismissed, next case please.


And my reaction to the shitbag that is no longer breathing,