Dear Southern States

[TooTall90]

i visited NC over the weekend and it was pitiful. all the roads were completely iced up and everywhere shut down early. i mean IHOP closed at 11pm, the 24hr pancake shop.

on the way there i saw a handful of cars stuck offroad in the snow and an 18-wheeler spin out and lose control in front of my eyes. buncha rookies...

[z31maniac]

I think oil companies and all of their high powered scientist and engineers are just like tobacco companies were twenty years ago when their naysayers were using a lot of the same arguments to defend the tobacco industry against the idea that smoking causes lung cancer. If the naysayers denying global warming/climate change are wrong here too, will it be to late to stop it when they are force to admit they're wrong? The consequences of acting to stop it whether you believe it's happing or not are much less than doing nothing and letting it happen. The question isn't will the Earth still will be here, the question is how few of us will still be living on it? Sticking your head in the sand and denying the existence of a possible problem doesn't make it go away.

Someone hasn't been paying attention to the IPCC controversy of the last few weeks have we?

The IPCC is claiming "fact" that was taken from an Article in a mountaineering magazine and a Graduate student research paper from Switzerland.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...e-article.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7009081.ece

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6999051.ece

[nando]

I think oil companies and all of their high powered scientist and engineers are just like tobacco companies were twenty years ago when their naysayers were using a lot of the same arguments to defend the tobacco industry against the idea that smoking causes lung cancer. If the naysayers denying global warming/climate change are wrong here too, will it be to late to stop it when they are force to admit they're wrong? The consequences of acting to stop it whether you believe it's happing or not are much less than doing nothing and letting it happen. The question isn't will the Earth still will be here, the question is how few of us will still be living on it? Sticking your head in the sand and denying the existence of a possible problem doesn't make it go away.

if you really believe that, then sell your car, buy a bicycle and go live in a cave. The rest of us have work to go to and families to support..

[madformx5]

I think oil companies and all of their high powered scientist and engineers are just like tobacco companies were twenty years ago when their naysayers were using a lot of the same arguments to defend the tobacco industry against the idea that smoking causes lung cancer. If the naysayers denying global warming/climate change are wrong here too, will it be to late to stop it when they are force to admit they're wrong? The consequences of acting to stop it whether you believe it's happing or not are much less than doing nothing and letting it happen. The question isn't will the Earth still will be here, the question is how few of us will still be living on it? Sticking your head in the sand and denying the existence of a possible problem doesn't make it go away.

[StereoInstaller1]

happy ending?

[z31maniac]

and you know how we all know it's a bot? It's happy about meeting z31

[Aptyp]

Hi l!
I've just visited this forum. Happy to get acquainted with you. Thanks.

and you know how we all know it's a bot? It's happy about meeting z31

[StereoInstaller1]

Hi l!
I've just visited this forum. Happy to get acquainted with you. Thanks.

OK, who brought the bot?

[jezzicaz789]

Please come get it.

Most people can't drive in it, there isn't sufficient money in the budgets to handle two storms like we've had in the last month, so getting around is a huge pain in the ass.

Thankfully we had quite a bit of sun yesterday, so most of the roads are already clear again.

Hi l!
I've just visited this forum. Happy to get acquainted with you. Thanks.

[Beastolizer]

yeah it doesn't say anything about their strength. But, last year was a pretty cold winter. One of the worst in a long time actually, since we had that huge blizzard in 1996, and another bad storm sometime around 2001. I was glad to be in mexico during the winter last year. :p

Fuck, I totally forgot about last winter. The Seattle area got DUMPED on. I ended up getting about a week off of school. But I would have traded all the snow for Mexico...you bastard. :)

[nando]

yeah it doesn't say anything about their strength. But, last year was a pretty cold winter. One of the worst in a long time actually, since we had that huge blizzard in 1996, and another bad storm sometime around 2001. I was glad to be in mexico during the winter last year. :p

[Beastolizer]

we've had at least 4 la-ninas since 1999..

http://www.stormfax.com/elnino.htm

Well, I don't recall any of them being very strong La Nina's which could be the result of warming Oceans because what is occurring during El Nino's is the ocean absorbs a mass amount of heat, warming it to temperatures as high as 15* above average, which then sends incredible amounts of precipitation up into the air and throwing off weather patterns. Then oceans then over compensate and when La Nina's happen, they do the opposite, so I figure with the warming oceans, La Nina's are becoming less strong.

But yes, I was wrong. There have been La Nina's. But again, probably not of the same strength they used to be, hence me not remembering.

[nando]

It used to be that you could expect an El Nino every 10 or so years, with a La Nina about 4 years after the El Nino. since 2000, I believe we have had about 4 El Ninos, and If I remember correctly, NO La Nina's.

we've had at least 4 la-ninas since 1999..

http://www.stormfax.com/elnino.htm

[nando]

wusses. I drove 5 miles home from work in 6" of snow on R888s. :p

[Beastolizer]

I agree with everything sweetride01 has said so far. I think he seems to be one of the few that understands its NOT "global warming," it's global climate change. What is occurring is changing weather patterns due to rising green house gases. It used to be that you could expect an El Nino every 10 or so years, with a La Nina about 4 years after the El Nino. since 2000, I believe we have had about 4 El Ninos, and If I remember correctly, NO La Nina's.

All weather revolves around the oceans. They are the cause of everything and if the ocean is warming, weather conditions around the world are going to change, hence the snow in states that hardly ever see it.

Apytyp, don't get your panties in a bundle, I'm just voicing my opinion on this.