So Virginia bans O-Care

[z31maniac]

Like the poor complaining about the rich not paying their fair share, when in fact the bottom 45% of people in this country HAVE NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX LIABILITY (that means they don't pay any smoky).

The top 1% of this country carry an enormous amount of tax burdens in this country.

Look at New Jersey and New York, they oppresive tax policies there have sent something like $125 billion in wealth out of the state. $125 billion in collective personal wealth has now left for places like Florida and Texas.

[HarryPotter]

If that's all you gained from any of this thread or the numerous others out there, you're beyond help. No, the Government shouldn't have to, nor does have to offer incentives to be wealthy. The point is thatif you make a lot of money (wealth) and the Government then takes 50% of it away simply because the amount you've made, that's a penalty for being wealthy.

Exactly, this guy jefferies is completely ignorant. It's not like we expect the gov to give us fuckin cookies for being rich. It's just when they take 2 million of the 3 million you made last year it kinda makes you think, why the fuck do I even bother?

So these scumbags that live in section 8 housing (run by dem's and they get richer and richer off these kinds of practices) can continue to live by not doing a god damn thing?

[ck_taft325is]

Having just started a business and going through all the Tax information for even our tiny small business that just started, we have to charge about 40% ON TOP of wages and materials just to cover taxes, unemployment taxes (3.9% now), L&I MANDATORY insurance (having been injured on the job, they will do LITERALLY anything to not pay out ANY money) and handfuls of other small taxes. It blows my mind. In already tough economic times for everyone, we're having a hard time getting jobs because in order to break even and make almost no profit, we're looking at a minimum, just to show up for 8 hours nearly $1,000. BEFORE materials. This year my wife and I, due to not being able to afford being an LLC right off the bat, will end up owing at our projected tax rates, even though we're putting as much as possible and still survive (mortgage, food, etc), over $7,000 at the end of the year from our own pockets.

Think about it. Just think about it. This last year, prior to starting up the business, I made next to nothing due to being laid off. It benefited me MORE to make under $20,000 last year than it will to make $25,000 this year. That's below the poverty marker.

So, Holmes, for you to say that being wealthy is it's own incentive despite the fact that you actually end up making less while if you're poor, the Government is throwing money at you is retarded. Re-tar-ded.

[z31maniac]

Hehehe, not self-employed, but I sorta feel your pain.

I was super happy with my new job big raise in Oct of '08. Then a full year at the higher pay last year, bumped me up a tax bracket.

Fucking weak.

[HarryPotter]

And you wonder why there is VERY LITTLE wealthy people that live in canada.

[mrsleeve]

How is your insurance that high sleeve? Do you have a shit ton of pre-existing conditions or something? Cancer survivor? I know you're about my age (28) and fairly healthy, so that just doesn't add up.

When I was contractor for MerCruiser and buying my own health insurance I paid $110 a month for health/vision/dental.

My girlfriend currently pays $88 a month for all those things through Blue Cross Blue Shield.

One lady I used to work with at State Farm, came to State Farm because she was 45 and in the state high risk pool. She had survived cancer and had a few other small problems and her insurance was still "only" $600 a month through a private company compared to your $800 a month for a healthy young guy.

Fuck, my dad got a quote the other day for $750 a month. BUt he is a 58 year old lifetime smoker, who has had 5 surgeries in the last 2 years (one including removing a carcinoid tumor from his large intestine and a benign growth removed from his stomach).

I will ignore hOlmes as he is a dip shit. other than to say, I have foregone real raises for (you know the ones where you make more money to keep up with inflation) for the lat 6-8 years and had them applied to H.I. premiums to keep it form getting cut, other than when I changed jobs and got promoted.

Yes I have gone with out it before, due to my lack of responsibility and not having the money to make the premium. It was the most stressful time in my life everything you do changes in how you look at it and how you might get hurt. I vowed to never ever live like that again. I have given family members money that were in trouble to keep the H.I. payed up thats how important it is. Its not the Govt's job to take care of you, thats YOUR JOB.


My H.I. is so high because there are relatively few people in it, and our local is self insured with no backing from the international on this. We have about 1200 guys (many older higher risk as well) paying in and its a family plan so yeah most guys have familes on the rolls . Its a 90/10 plan with 1000 a year outta pocket max, and WORKS EVERY WHERE IN THE COUNTRY none of this works on 1 side of the state and thats it other than emergency crap. Its true insurance not a HMO, PPO, or other managed care, I can go see a doc of my choice when I want to, where I want to, GP, internist or Specialist it dose not matter.

Neither of us want to get married yet (been together for 10 years though), or she would be on mine. She has a pre existing hormonal condition, and was treated for depression in the last 10 years so we have to take what we can get for her.. Hers is good as well though 80/20 PPO, 1500 outta pocket max a year. and works most every where.

Do I like paying this kinda of money for hers and not having some more money in net pay every week. No I wish it was cheaper too, but its not, so make the payment, work the hours and move on with my day


So to those of you that think I pay too much, I will ask you this what kinda price do you put on your life or your kids or spouses????


Lastly I will say again. You think health care is expensive now..................wait till its free.

you will think what I pay is a bargain by then

[HarryPotter]

There's an old saying that goes, a 20 yearold republican has no heart, and a 40 yearold democrat has no brain.

I guess I have no heart.

[z31maniac]

So to those of you that think I pay too much, I will ask you this what kinda price do you put on your life or your kids or spouses????

This is going to make me sound terrible, but there is a reason I found a girl who makes her own money.

But obviously anyone would say no price is too high, as long as they can pay it.

[ck_taft325is]

I grew up without H.I. My parents up until the last 10 years worked harder than anyone I've known and had very, very little to show for it. Yes, they were not fiscally responsible for the whole first 15-20 years of their marriage. My pops held down 3 jobs, 2 part time, 1 full time for the first 12 years of my life. We just flat out couldn't afford H.I. While yes, they were lucky to have a very healthy kid and fairly healthy themselves, I still feel as though it's betting against yourself to have H.I. at such a high price.

Now that I'm a Husband and now a Father, I will definately have H.I. when we can afford it without eating Ramen. My personal beliefs and convictions may differ from my own personal experience as Sleeve, but I can totally respect and acknowledge his extraordinary hard work in providing H.I. for himself and long term girlfriend (wife if you will).

Holmes, you're misguided. While I appreciate your zeal, I cannot bend my reasoning and logic to your tune. It blows me away how judgemental you are towards anyone with the means to provide for their families.

[trent]

Haha so the government has to give an incentive to be wealthy? That sounds so ridiculous. Isn't being wealthy incentive itself?

You are the stupidest fuck on this forum.

Yes, goverment should cut taxes for weathly. The weathy pay MORE than enough taxes. No, being wealthy is not an "incentive." Cutting taxes for people who make more money CREATES incentive.

Also, as for this "14% of my pay" in Germany crap. What horseshit. Somebody who makes 100k will pay a lot more than somebody who makes 20k and still gets the same amount of care?!?!?! What a joke! How is that "fair???" Just because somebody worked their ass off to make money, and the other person is a lazy ass, they get the same care?!?!?!? And that makes sense how?!@#?!?@

[mrsleeve]

But obviously anyone would say no price is too high, as long as they can pay it.

This is just how I feel. If I gets to the point where I cant do it anymore, I suppose we will have to file some paper work. If something happens and I cant do that anymore we will down grade to the what ever is the best option for what I can afford

[trent]

There's an old saying that goes, a 20 yearold republican has no heart, and a 40 yearold democrat has no brain.

I guess I have no heart.

I don't have a heart either!!!!! I am not paying for people are too lazy or too stupid to go out and work to make their own life!!!!! Why do I have to pay for these people!!!! Go get a job!!! Go back to school!!!! Make your life better yourself!!!! Welfare trash!!!

Bring back the death penalty while we are at it! Wait a minute, its legal!!! Lets start killing more of these scum who are rotting in jail instead of wasting my money on that too! Lets ship all the illegals back home also to save money!!! What the hell happened to my country???

[dvs909]

Shut the fuck up sleeve. When are you going to understand that health care costs in this country are steadily rising? Less hard working people people like yourself can afford health care than 10, 20, 30 years ago. Are you still going to afford health insurance when it costs thousands of dollars a month and your wages haven't gone up? When health insurance costs 20 grand a month per person and is only available to the super rich, are you going to make the same stupid argument that "you didn't work hard enough you lazy socialist?"

The wealth of this country, and the planet for that matter, is gradually being consolidated into the hands of a smaller and smaller minority of people. YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THEM! So I suggest you stop taking it in the ass from these sociopathic businessmen because they don't give a fuck about you. A health care system where the people cannot be turned down for preexisting conditions, where everybody has to contribute and where there is some aspect of price control will still allow for PLENTY of freedom and competition. If you are so against "socialism" then I suggest the next time your house is on fire you better not call 911 because that is "socialism" too.

and the governent cares more about us?

you call business men evil, yet who gives the most to charitys?
bill gates isnt evil, he was rich and donated billions. or rockafeller. infact name one person who got rich in a legitimate way who is evil.

[mrsleeve]

infact name one person who got rich in a legitimate way who is evil.

Dick Cheney ????????????????????




Oh shit thats what MSNBC wants me to believe

[HarryPotter]

I don't have a heart either!!!!! I am not paying for people are too lazy or too stupid to go out and work to make their own life!!!!! Why do I have to pay for these people!!!! Go get a job!!! Go back to school!!!! Make your life better yourself!!!! Welfare trash!!!

Bring back the death penalty while we are at it! Wait a minute, its legal!!! Lets start killing more of these scum who are rotting in jail instead of wasting my money on that too! Lets ship all the illegals back home also to save money!!! What the hell happened to my country???

Trent for president!