So Virginia bans O-Care

[ck_taft325is]

The real point is whatever you want to call our system has been BY FAR the best system this world has ever seen. And Obama is trying to dismantle it with Socialism.

Or just plain out right hostility against working on actually fixing the problem. His way or the highway.

Where's the tolerance, Dem's? Where did it all go to?

[kronus]

The real point is whatever you want to call our system has been BY FAR the best system this world has ever seen. And Obama is trying to dismantle it with Socialism.

It's only the best if you can afford it.

[joshh]

Here let me clarify it for you, American Capitalism. There is that better?

You Philistines resort to arguing semantics when you have no answer.

The real point is whatever you want to call our system has been BY FAR the best system this world has ever seen. And Obama is trying to dismantle it with Socialism.

[ck_taft325is]

I'm waiting for someone to say, "No, I'm Catholic!"

[z31maniac]

I don't know exactly what you're saying because we aren't, and never really have had a completely free market economy.

Here let me clarify it for you, American Capitalism. There is that better?

You Philistines resort to arguing semantics when you have no answer.

[KenC]

It's like someone driving without insurance and getting into an accident, only they don't pay, but the taxpayers do.

So then you support the health insurance mandate?

[mar1t1me]

If someone can't afford children, then they shouldn't have them.

Yeah, I 'm all about personal responsibility, so.....

Especially those that look to the .gov to bail them out time and time again for their irresponsible, reckless behavior.

Like AIG, BofA, Lehman, AMEX, GM, Chrysler......???

I'm tired of my taxes being spent on people that refuse to live their lives like normal, responsible adults.

Like Vikram Pandit, or Ken Lewis, or Jamie Dimon or John Stumpf?

The welfare moms didn't cause the market to crash! And people bitch about the handouts to them, but let the above guys write themselves BIG fat bonuses on the country's nickel, while putting millions out of work.

The takeover and nationalization of the banking industry, the auto industry, the health care industry, and next, the energy/oil companies is bordering on fascism.

Do you understand that is precisely what the informal goal has been since the end of WWII? The Fellowship wants a "Jesus guided fascism where those in power are directly guided by God". They have softened on using the term fascist of late, but the goals have not changed. They want to take the power to elect a government out of the people's hands. Witness the Electoral College and other voter input impediments.

Of course, the problem with "God-guided" is that it doesn't work. 10 different "God-guided" people will invariably have 10 different opinions. Now they have to have a holy war to prove whose side God is really on. :-)

This debacle just might be the straw that breaks the back and bankrupts the US

They're counting on it.

[E30 Cabrio]

that'll be a harder sell.
But I certainly don't want kids landing in the hands of people that don't want them, or know that they can't afford to keep them. In my opinion that is so much worse than aborting.
Basically agreeing with mar1t1me..
Plus overpopulation. Not that it's a crisis just yet but why make things worse.

The thing that gets me is the people making the most noise about losing our freedoms are the same ones trying to legislate morality. Make up your damn minds.

They're not trying to legislate morality, they are trying to make people take responsibility for themselves and their actions.

Actions have consequences.

Irresponsible actions have consequences that come at a great cost to society.

[E30 Cabrio]

oh boy now we are setting a toe out on to the slippery slope that is Eugenics


For the record I am pro choice its a personal choice of the woman and ideally the father involved.

But like most everything the govt has no business getting into it let alone funding them at the expense of the rest of us. As like anything when some one else is paying for it they can dictate the terms to you about what you can and cant do.

Amazing how the "my body, my choice" crowd wants the government to pay for their "choice", isn't it?

"U.S. stay out of my Uterus"
Unless the US is paying for the abortion.

The hypocrisy is staggering.

[E30 Cabrio]

So.....you'd rather pay for the care and feeding of someone's unwanted child? Abortions are cheap compared to years of state and federal services for unwanted children born to women who usually lack the skills to successfully parent them. These are children who will statistically be of low intelligence, and low wage earners.

Abortion, while unpalatable, works quite well, and I have no moral issue with preventing the arrival of several million more people of low socioeconomic status who are more likely to end up a burden to society, not an asset.

Unwanted pregnancies and HIV are both 99.999% preventable, yet somehow, a small percentage of the population manages to achieve one or both.

I rather that we spend a one-time fee to sterilze people then to pay for numerous abortions or worse, welfare mothers who pump out children for additional benefits.

If someone can't afford children, then they shouldn't have them.

And if they can't afford them, then either use damn good protection or don't have sex, plain and simple.

It's like someone driving without insurance and getting into an accident, only they don't pay, but the taxpayers do.

It's all about personal responsibility, which seems a foreign concept to many.

Especially those that look to the .gov to bail them out time and time again for their irresponsible, reckless behavior.

I'm tired of my taxes being spent on people that refuse to live their lives like normal, responsible adults.
But not only do we accept this behavior, we actually encourage it.

And this whole Health Care bill has nothing to do with our well-being, but every thing to do with the .gov having more control over our lives.

It's funny how people are outraged about things like the Patriot Act, which doesn't affect their freedom one bit, yet they are willing to turn over various other aspects of their lives over to the .gov because they are not able and/or willing to take responsibility for themselves and their actions.

Think health care is expensive now? - Just wait until it's "free"

If you like our public education system, you'll love government-run health care.

What industry is next on Obama's list?

The takeover and nationalization of the banking industry, the auto industry, the health care industry, and next, the energy/oil companies is bordering on fascism.

This debacle just might be the straw that breaks the back and bankrupts the US

[mrsleeve]

oh boy now we are setting a toe out on to the slippery slope that is Eugenics


For the record I am pro choice its a personal choice of the woman and ideally the father involved.

But like most everything the govt has no business getting into it let alone funding them at the expense of the rest of us. As like anything when some one else is paying for it they can dictate the terms to you about what you can and cant do.

[Wiglaf]

that'll be a harder sell.
But I certainly don't want kids landing in the hands of people that don't want them, or know that they can't afford to keep them. In my opinion that is so much worse than aborting.
Basically agreeing with mar1t1me..
Plus overpopulation. Not that it's a crisis just yet but why make things worse.

The thing that gets me is the people making the most noise about losing our freedoms are the same ones trying to legislate morality. Make up your damn minds.

[Pinepig]

ah hell, I'll admit it.

I'd rather pay for abortions than welfare.

Only if you can perform them retroactively.

[Wiglaf]

ah hell, I'll admit it.

I'd rather pay for abortions than welfare.

[joshh]

My bad....sorry for the bleeding ears.