Bible Beaters Beware...

[mgold]

Re: Bible Beaters Beware...

If you love Jesus.. i want your opinions here.

I'm sitting this one out. I'll let you gentile's have all the fun with this thread :)

[///M Powered]

Re: Bible Beaters Beware...

If you love Jesus.. i want your opinions here.

I'm sitting this one out. I'll let you gentile's have all the fun with this thread :)

:rofl:

[Matto]

Re: Bible Beaters Beware...

If you love Jesus.. i want your opinions here.

I'm sitting this one out. I'll let you gentile's have all the fun with this thread :)

:rofl:

Its all just a way for them to hear other people validate there oppinions or force there views that they have a right to be left alone on others. :?

[h0lmes]

I am very unique in the way I think because I am a Christian yet I interprate my religion very liberally. For one, I dont think that going to church and reading the bible everyday makes you a Christian. In fact, I think it is meaningless unless you have a relationship with Jesus Christ. Church and the Bible are ways of learning about Jesus as well as providing support in times of need. Two, I think Bush gives Christianity a bad name and I find it downright insulting. Bush is to Chrisitanity like Bin Laden is to Islam. He is very extreme in his views and he uses political power to force them upon other people. I do not believe for a second that God told him to lie to our country and then send hundreds of thousands of troops into Iraq to in turn kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Also, I do not think that God looks upon homosexuals like the majority of the Christian right does. In Gods eyes, homosexuals are no different then everybody else. They are sinners just like you and me and they can be forgiven just like you and me. Our society is so screwed up because things like divorce and affairs have become acceptable yet two men or two women who love eachother cannot get married. I could go on for hours but im just gonna stop here and let somebody else respond.

[Matto]

I agree with pretty much everything you said there holmes. I think the Jehovahs Witnesses have a good view of politics, stay away. If you want to help change somthing change the people involved with it, try and share your faith with them. And whats with this "freedom from religion" bull?

[decay]

And whats with this "freedom from religion" bull?

maybe i'm reading you wrong, but what's "bull" about it?

how is deciding to eschew religion entirely any less valid of a choice than picking one?

show me where in the constitution it says "life, liberty, and happiness, unless you don't believe in a deity of some kind".

(trying really hard to hide my indignance and be a nice atheist, in case it isn't showing.)

anyway, here's my favorite essay on religion. it applies directly to christianity, but works for pretty much all monotheistic faiths.

http://www.unm.edu/~humanism/socvsjes.htm

logic pwns u

[Matto]

And whats with this "freedom from religion" bull?

maybe i'm reading you wrong, but what's "bull" about it?

how is deciding to eschew religion entirely any less valid of a choice than picking one?

show me where in the constitution it says "life, liberty, and happiness, unless you don't believe in a deity of some kind".

(trying really hard to hide my indignance and be a nice atheist, in case it isn't showing.)

anyway, here's my favorite essay on religion. it applies directly to christianity, but works for pretty much all monotheistic faiths.

http://www.unm.edu/~humanism/socvsjes.htm

logic pwns u

I just hear people using that phrase to mean they have a right to ever have to hear about someone's religion.

Most of what I read of that essay looks to be based on the authors limited understanding of christian theology and backhanded humor.

[decay]

I just hear people using that phrase to mean they have a right to [n]ever have to hear about someone's religion.

granted, there are atheists like that. but those of us who try to fall under the "libertarian" category as well do our best to realize that freedom of/from religion does not extend as far as forcing someone else to shut up, because that violates the same amendment.

(yes, i'm mixing religion and politics. fan those flames baby!)

Most of what I read of that essay looks to be based on the authors limited understanding of christian theology and backhanded humor.

well, it may use humor to make a point-

but IMO if the counterpoint being argued against weren't so fucking ridiculous, then said humor wouldn't be possible.

btw, that's a pretty typical canned response to anyone who points out the bible's self-contradictions.

it's always possible to say "oh, that's a viewpoint based on imperfect knowledge", but that's all any of us have- and the real point of the essay is that you can use critical thinking to determine whether such a text should be taken literally LONG before having read it cover-to-cover.

besides, have you ever tried to actually DO that? i guarantee you, Deuteronomy > Sominex anyday.

[Matto]

Im not even claiming imperfect knowledge as an excuse, the answers in that essay are made to get the responses the author wanted. I would lend more credibility to it if the author had actually tried to use actual quotes that pertained to the questions.

I've read the new testament, but I am stuck someplace in lamentations trying to read front to back.

[Digitalwave]

Also, I do not think that God looks upon homosexuals like the majority of the Christian right does. In Gods eyes, homosexuals are no different then everybody else. They are sinners just like you and me and they can be forgiven just like you and me.

The Bible talks a lot about homosexuality, directly. Here are some passages for you to read: Genesis 19:4-29, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11, Romans 1:26-27

Leviticus 18:22 "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman: that is detestable."

The Bible is pretty clear that God is against homosexuality.

[silverblades181]

lol...so God wrote the bible now? No, the people who think they do what God wants hate homosexuals...theres a big difference.

[Digitalwave]

lol...so God wrote the bible now? No, the people who think they do what God wants hate homosexuals...theres a big difference.

What's the difference? I don't get what you are saying.

And yes, God wrote the Bible. Although he did not physically put it in writing, it was God who gave the various authors the vision of their works.

[silverblades181]

ah yes...religious visions. I'm sorry, I do not share your beliefs. When people start doing stuff in the name of God or because they are following God's will is when I get real sceptical.

[Digitalwave]

ah yes...religious visions. I'm sorry, I do not share your beliefs. When people start doing stuff in the name of God or because they are following God's will is when I get real sceptical.

No need to get all defensive.

What were you saying about the difference in hating homos and God...?

[Ryan Stewart]

Re: Bible Beaters Beware...

I'm sitting this one out. I'll let you gentile's have all the fun with this thread :)

It is official. It is the best post in this thread. :D How do you say, "Sell me your f'in car now!" in Hebrew?

Ryan (not a j00)