Any Vegans on the board?

[F34R]

Whoa, whoa, let's not muck anything up with religion here.

Go kill yourself.

[squidmaster]

Whoa, whoa, let's not muck anything up with religion here.

Also:
There are much better, more reputable sources than The China Study, which is very sketchy and upon peer review some of his other studies turned out to be flawed in one way or another, though generally correct.

I believe the doctor's main source of study was about bovine casein (the protein found in cow's milk) and it's direct link to cancer growth.

[F34R]

QUOTE=Threehz
Lots of good information in this thread, lots of of dumb comments as well.

I believe that you joined in as the latter statement.

The biggest problem with animal proteins is that they trigger, and catalyze the growth of cancer in the human body. "The China Study" as mentioned is a great read and very informative, but you can find information about this in many places.

It is funny how as the world has grown into a greedy, easy to make a buck world. That cancer is a household word, that is a normal death people spend thousands to avoid. Funny thing; it has only got worse as the world dumps more shit into our hair products, toothpaste, food JUST about everything. Only way to avoid it is to go back to the old times; of self sufficient means. IE: growing crops, hunting fresh game and avoiding chemical filled products. Not preaching but Organic is not a new thing, just a forgotten everyday task we used to perform before big marketing shit.

Meat in general (bird, fish, mammal) isn't horrible for you besides that it promotes cancer. However, the meat you find in the grocery store is mostly factory farmed meat. Even if you don't care about the extremely abusive conditions these animals suffer, this meat is not good for you. These cattle are mostly pumped full of hormones, antibiotics, and still many of them end up getting chronic, resistant infections and diseases. Yet, disease ridden cattle are still milked, and used for meat.

That is why I take pleasure ripping my dinners guts out.

Dairy is a whole different story. Dairy is bad for you for a number of reasons. The fact that humans are naturally allergic to it should be one big sign. The fact that any animals' milk is intended for THAT animal's babies is another sign. Dairy products contain the same animal proteins that promote cancer as well.

Tell that to my 84 year old Uncle that could still out bench you and is STILL working the farm he owns. I am catching a pattern of internet intelligence that is related to eggs also being bad for you. Then they are the best, get in the media line kid. Eat that shit up

Many people have been saying that fish meat and chicken meat are good alternatives to beef. Chicken is no better than beef, and in many cases is worse because of the special diseases it carries, and the way factory farmed chicken is raised in. Fish is probably one of the best choices of meat, except for the heavy metals that are found in heavier and heavier doses in fish, especially large fish. In fact, because we have turned our oceans and lakes and rivers into toxic waste dumps, fish have become pretty full of toxins.

Come to upstate NY where we catch and hunt fresh untainted animals.

The absolute worst part of eating meat, especially beef, is the environmental impact. Cattle farming is destroying our forests, this deforestation is exterminating thousands of species (mainly from the rain forest, where most of the world's best medicine), consuming unimaginable amounts of resources (water, oil, electric), it is one of the largest emitters of methane (which contributes to the greenhouse effect 20 times more than CO2), and the list goes on and on.

We eat cows, thus reducing methane levels. You're welcome.

If the resources that are put into cattle farming were redirected to growing vegetables, world hunger would be solved. In fact, there would also be enough water for everyone in the world as well. The 884,000,000 people who do not have access to clean water would not have to worry anymore.

No one in Africa wants shitty veggies

I actually presented a Public Service Announcement today that I have been working on for a while. One of the most shocking facts I found during research was this:

If everyone living in the United States stopped eating beef for a year, the amount of water that would be saved (not used for cattle farming), is enough for every person living in the United States to have a healthy amount of drinking water (64 ounces or about two liters a day) for 250 years.

I would like to thank you for putting a dent in my meat intake.

Just thought I would share some of these facts because so many people are saying who cares about their health, steak is tasty! Well eating meat is fucking the entire planet over, on an incredibly scary level.

The earth is fine, just getting ready for the 1,000 year reign.

Eating a vegan diet can provide you EVERYTHING you need to be healthy, there is a giant range of delicious foods and dishes that can be made, and there are so many ways that eating vegan can improve your life.

Wrong

If you don't want to become a vegan, the most important ways to improve health through eating, is eating raw, whole foods, eliminating salt, fat, and sugar, and eliminating processed foods (of any kind).

Agreed, cost a bit more but very good for your body as God intended.

Be smart R3v. Think about the planet, think about your health, think about your kids and their kids, and if you want to live to see them grow up, and in a nice world.

Kids eat into my car budget, so none of those ever lol

[RUFFLZ]

Rufflz, try it man. Look into it before you start though. Figure what foods are good, and find a bunch of vegan dishes you can enjoy so you aren't left wondering what's for dinner.

Making your own food is a big part too, but it's not hard to throw together delicious dishes quickly. Just look up vegan recipes, they're everywhere.

I can tell you from experience that eating a good vegan diet has so many benefits. Everyone I know who has become vegan has experiences these results:
More energy and stamina
More alert, brain works faster
Generally just feeling fantastic, improved mood
Improved sleep, and need for less sleep to feel rested
Cures acne
Cures many allergies
Actually cures a ton of illnesses and pains
Increased sex drive (spunk also tastes better according to many women, never thought being vegan would get your more head did you?)

To be honest, within two weeks you will see so many improvements in your health. Live strong.

i LOL'D
It really shouldn't be a problem as my mom is Indian and mainly cooks vegetable dishes, I just get tend to get my meats through other means no homo

Was the transition a difficult one for you at first? Like did you have withdrawals or cravings? The only thing that REALLY concerns me is not feeling completely full after meals ya know.

[Threehz]

http://www.mesacc.edu/dept/d10/asb/o...cavenging.html

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3222-mans-early-hunting-role-in-doubt.html

I'm not saying that for sure people were scavengers, but before the use of tools, we didn't have any hunting skills going for us, meaning me had to be scavengers or smaller prey and something we could catch, which is fairly slim because of the desert regions where hominids began to evolve.

And, as literally explained more than enough times, it's cheaper to be vegan, bruh. CHEAPER. On my $200 a week college student wage I can afford that shit easy-mother-f#ckin'-peesy. I don't even use diction like that but it upsets me so much. Just blatant, inane statements like that.

First link is interesting, second link didn't work though.

Even today, many of the less-advanced societies practice scavenging regularly.

It's also pretty interesting to think that we evolved from animals which rarely ate meat. Obviously meat was a taste that we acquired over time.

[Threehz]

THIS along with watching Forks Over Knives, is making me wanna initiate the transition from meat eating yolo nigga, to a vegan hipster.
jk about the hipster part, but seriously. I think I will taper off with red meats first and see how it feels. If I'm feeling fresh as f*ck subsequently, I will continue to cut out the rest. I am 19, 6'2" & 175 lbs with a too-fast-for-my-own-good metabolism, but my energy is always pretty low.. I think this is due to my over-consumption of meats. ya?

Rufflz, try it man. Look into it before you start though. Figure what foods are good, and find a bunch of vegan dishes you can enjoy so you aren't left wondering what's for dinner.

Making your own food is a big part too, but it's not hard to throw together delicious dishes quickly. Just look up vegan recipes, they're everywhere.

I can tell you from experience that eating a good vegan diet has so many benefits. Everyone I know who has become vegan has experiences these results:
More energy and stamina
More alert, brain works faster
Generally just feeling fantastic, improved mood
Improved sleep, and need for less sleep to feel rested
Cures acne
Cures many allergies
Actually cures a ton of illnesses and pains
Increased sex drive (spunk also tastes better according to many women, never thought being vegan would get your more head did you?)

To be honest, within two weeks you will see so many improvements in your health. Live strong.

[squidmaster]

hunting as a group effort is responsible for the value humans place on the concept of 'team' and for the development of spoken language. and of course the successful hunters were more likely to perpetuate their genes.

there is no evidence that humans scavenged to any significant degree. way more evidence of cannibalism in human societies. the women gathered the produce and cared for junior while the physically stronger men subdued high energy protein carriers. that veganism is a viable lifestyle is the result of the success of higher civilization and not a survival prerequisite.

in short, you all can afford to be vegan because you are rich.

hth
robert w.


btw i missed 4 teeth in my count- the lateral incisors that abut the canines.

http://www.mesacc.edu/dept/d10/asb/origins/hominid_journey/scavenging.html

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3222-mans-early-hunting-role-in-doubt.html

I'm not saying that for sure people were scavengers, but before the use of tools, we didn't have any hunting skills going for us, meaning me had to be scavengers or smaller prey and something we could catch, which is fairly slim because of the desert regions where hominids began to evolve.

And, as literally explained more than enough times, it's cheaper to be vegan, bruh. CHEAPER. On my $200 a week college student wage I can afford that shit easy-mother-f#ckin'-peesy. I don't even use diction like that but it upsets me so much. Just blatant, inane statements like that.

[Threehz]

hunting as a group effort is responsible for the value humans place on the concept of 'team' and for the development of spoken language. and of course the successful hunters were more likely to perpetuate their genes.

there is no evidence that humans scavenged to any significant degree. way more evidence of cannibalism in human societies. the women gathered the produce and cared for junior while the physically stronger men subdued high energy protein carriers. that veganism is a viable lifestyle is the result of the success of higher civilization and not a survival prerequisite.

in short, you all can afford to be vegan because you are rich.

hth
robert w.


btw i missed 4 teeth in my count- the lateral incisors that abut the canines.

This isn't just directed towards you, but everyone talking about the history of human eating habits, and the people saying that eating meat and hunting lead to the growth of humanity.

Did you ever think of how we were as a race when we were hunting animals mostly for food? We were struggling to survive, and we saw barely any improvement or growth for thousands of years.

Then, at the end of the Neolithic age, was the first agricultural revolution. We begun to cultivate crops, use artificial selection, and were able to store these crops (grains).

What did this revolution lead to?

Oh yeah, every major civilization, and eventually modern civilization today.

Now, Robert W.,

Women and gathering were no small part of the Hunter and Gatherer era. In fact, men and women were of nearly equal status at that time. In fucking fact, the agricultural revolution is what led to men becoming dominant in most societies.

Also being vegan is so much cheaper than eating meats and dairies. Actually, you can cheaply, and easily grow almost all of your own food as a vegan. You know how much it costs to raise livestock?

You also shouldn't be talking vegans down if you are an automotive enthusiast. The amount of fuel that the meat and dairy industries use is ridiculous. So all those vegans you are hating on, are actually contributing to less fuel usage for your diet, and more fuel for your automobile.

Open your mind a little.

[RUFFLZ]

Lots of good information in this thread, lots of of dumb comments as well.

The biggest problem with animal proteins is that they trigger, and catalyze the growth of cancer in the human body. "The China Study" as mentioned is a great read and very informative, but you can find information about this in many places.

Meat in general (bird, fish, mammal) isn't horrible for you besides that it promotes cancer. However, the meat you find in the grocery store is mostly factory farmed meat. Even if you don't care about the extremely abusive conditions these animals suffer, this meat is not good for you. These cattle are mostly pumped full of hormones, antibiotics, and still many of them end up getting chronic, resistant infections and diseases. Yet, disease ridden cattle are still milked, and used for meat.

Dairy is a whole different story. Dairy is bad for you for a number of reasons. The fact that humans are naturally allergic to it should be one big sign. The fact that any animals' milk is intended for THAT animal's babies is another sign. Dairy products contain the same animal proteins that promote cancer as well.

Many people have been saying that fish meat and chicken meat are good alternatives to beef. Chicken is no better than beef, and in many cases is worse because of the special diseases it carries, and the way factory farmed chicken is raised in. Fish is probably one of the best choices of meat, except for the heavy metals that are found in heavier and heavier doses in fish, especially large fish. In fact, because we have turned our oceans and lakes and rivers into toxic waste dumps, fish have become pretty full of toxins.

The absolute worst part of eating meat, especially beef, is the environmental impact. Cattle farming is destroying our forests, this deforestation is exterminating thousands of species (mainly from the rain forest, where most of the world's best medicine), consuming unimaginable amounts of resources (water, oil, electric), it is one of the largest emitters of methane (which contributes to the greenhouse effect 20 times more than CO2), and the list goes on and on.

If the resources that are put into cattle farming were redirected to growing vegetables, world hunger would be solved. In fact, there would also be enough water for everyone in the world as well. The 884,000,000 people who do not have access to clean water would not have to worry anymore.

I actually presented a Public Service Announcement today that I have been working on for a while. One of the most shocking facts I found during research was this:

If everyone living in the United States stopped eating beef for a year, the amount of water that would be saved (not used for cattle farming), is enough for every person living in the United States to have a healthy amount of drinking water (64 ounces or about two liters a day) for 250 years.

Just thought I would share some of these facts because so many people are saying who cares about their health, steak is tasty! Well eating meat is fucking the entire planet over, on an incredibly scary level.

Eating a vegan diet can provide you EVERYTHING you need to be healthy, there is a giant range of delicious foods and dishes that can be made, and there are so many ways that eating vegan can improve your life.

If you don't want to become a vegan, the most important ways to improve health through eating, is eating raw, whole foods, eliminating salt, fat, and sugar, and eliminating processed foods (of any kind).

Be smart R3v. Think about the planet, think about your health, think about your kids and their kids, and if you want to live to see them grow up, and in a nice world.

THIS along with watching Forks Over Knives, is making me wanna initiate the transition from meat eating yolo nigga, to a vegan hipster.
jk about the hipster part, but seriously. I think I will taper off with red meats first and see how it feels. If I'm feeling fresh as f*ck subsequently, I will continue to cut out the rest. I'm 19, 6'2" & 175 lbs with a too-fast-for-my-own-good metabolism, but my energy is always pretty low.. I think this is due to my over-consumption of meats. ya?

[F34R]

I fell asleep after "lots"

[Threehz]

Lots of good information in this thread, lots of of dumb comments as well.

The biggest problem with animal proteins is that they trigger, and catalyze the growth of cancer in the human body. "The China Study" as mentioned is a great read and very informative, but you can find information about this in many places.

Meat in general (bird, fish, mammal) isn't horrible for you besides that it promotes cancer. However, the meat you find in the grocery store is mostly factory farmed meat. Even if you don't care about the extremely abusive conditions these animals suffer, this meat is not good for you. These cattle are mostly pumped full of hormones, antibiotics, and still many of them end up getting chronic, resistant infections and diseases. Yet, disease ridden cattle are still milked, and used for meat.

Dairy is a whole different story. Dairy is bad for you for a number of reasons. The fact that humans are naturally allergic to it should be one big sign. The fact that any animals' milk is intended for THAT animal's babies is another sign. Dairy products contain the same animal proteins that promote cancer as well.

Many people have been saying that fish meat and chicken meat are good alternatives to beef. Chicken is no better than beef, and in many cases is worse because of the special diseases it carries, and the way factory farmed chicken is raised in. Fish is probably one of the best choices of meat, except for the heavy metals that are found in heavier and heavier doses in fish, especially large fish. In fact, because we have turned our oceans and lakes and rivers into toxic waste dumps, fish have become pretty full of toxins.

The absolute worst part of eating meat, especially beef, is the environmental impact. Cattle farming is destroying our forests, this deforestation is exterminating thousands of species (mainly from the rain forest, where most of the world's best medicine), consuming unimaginable amounts of resources (water, oil, electric), it is one of the largest emitters of methane (which contributes to the greenhouse effect 20 times more than CO2), and the list goes on and on.

If the resources that are put into cattle farming were redirected to growing vegetables, world hunger would be solved. In fact, there would also be enough water for everyone in the world as well. The 884,000,000 people who do not have access to clean water would not have to worry anymore.

I actually presented a Public Service Announcement today that I have been working on for a while. One of the most shocking facts I found during research was this:

If everyone living in the United States stopped eating beef for a year, the amount of water that would be saved (not used for cattle farming), is enough for every person living in the United States to have a healthy amount of drinking water (64 ounces or about two liters a day) for 250 years.

Just thought I would share some of these facts because so many people are saying who cares about their health, steak is tasty! Well eating meat is fucking the entire planet over, on an incredibly scary level.

Eating a vegan diet can provide you EVERYTHING you need to be healthy, there is a giant range of delicious foods and dishes that can be made, and there are so many ways that eating vegan can improve your life.

If you don't want to become a vegan, the most important ways to improve health through eating, is eating raw, whole foods, eliminating salt, fat, and sugar, and eliminating processed foods (of any kind).

Be smart R3v. Think about the planet, think about your health, think about your kids and their kids, and if you want to live to see them grow up, and in a nice world.

[2761377]

hunting as a group effort is responsible for the value humans place on the concept of 'team' and for the development of spoken language. and of course the successful hunters were more likely to perpetuate their genes.

there is no evidence that humans scavenged to any significant degree. way more evidence of cannibalism in human societies. the women gathered the produce and cared for junior while the physically stronger men subdued high energy protein carriers. that veganism is a viable lifestyle is the result of the success of higher civilization and not a survival prerequisite.

in short, you all can afford to be vegan because you are rich.

hth
robert w.


btw i missed 4 teeth in my count- the lateral incisors that abut the canines.

[squidmaster]

well that's not true. humans have two incisors per jaw, two cuspid or canines per jaw and four bicuspid or premolars per jaw. just six molars per jaw. you really should google human dentition before spouting crap to support your theory of humans as herbivores.

human evolution involved a relatively weak, unspecialized mammal making a place in the world by adaptability. hunting and meat eating were crucial in the development of early human physiology, societies and culture.

if you want to spurn animal protein that's fine. don't try to make as if veganism represents a return to a primitive human diet. it's just not true.


hth
robert w.

you're right, there are four.
however:

"But aren’t humans anatomically suited to be omnivores? Nope. We don’t anatomically match up with omnivorous animals anymore than we do with carnivorous ones. Omnivores are more similar to carnivores than they are to herbivores."

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/are-humans-carnivores-or-herbivores-2/

http://www.waoy.org/26.html

http://www.ocoy.org/2008/04/humans-are-we-carnivores-or-vegetarians-by-nature/

as it may be true that humans did eat flesh, we were more scavengers than the usual blood-thirsty hunts that are so much more interesting to watch on the history channel.

[z31maniac]

I dont think there is anything wrong with eating animal products, what most Americans fail to get is that the average person eats way too much animal products.

[herbivor]

I'm curious, what part of veganism causes the insufferable superiority complex?

It's kind of like realizing you've been sick your whole life but not realizing it until you weren't sick anymore. And also realizing that most other people can stop being sick too if they choose to be. It's sort of eye opening for some and I suppose can come off as a superiority complex to those that have difficulty communicating the feeling.