Any Vegans on the board?

[priapism]

To be clear, it's not a lack of food that makes people starve. We've got plenty of food on the planet. It's generally a lack of ability to get that food to places where it's needed. No, I don't have the stats to back that up but I've read it over and over. The fact that there's more water in the central valley doesn't mean the kids in rural Indonesian villages will have it.

Also, the hunter / gatherer diet that we evolved on involved mostly meat and wild-grown plants. It wasn't until the middle ages when meat became a delicacy. Ancient man was 6' tall, man of the middle ages was about 5'4. Look at old suits of armor--they're tiny. The men that started the French revolution sounded like 12 year old boys.

I would like to eat less meat in general. I did a cleanse a while back, can't find the kit I used anymore, so I was thinking of going Vegan for a week to see what happens. Honestly with my hopeless sugar addiction I think that would be harder than simply not eating for a few days.

Interesting discussion.

[Threehz]

I made a mistake in one of my posts earlier, thanks to F34R's silly comments I noticed it.

I said:

I actually presented a Public Service Announcement today that I have been working on for a while. One of the most shocking facts I found during research was this:

If everyone living in the United States stopped eating beef for a year, the amount of water that would be saved (not used for cattle farming), is enough for every person living in the United States to have a healthy amount of drinking water (64 ounces or about two liters a day) for 250 years.

When I said it was enough for everyone in the United States, that was wrong. It would be enough for all 7+ billion people on planet earth for 250 years.

F34R, most of your comments aren't even contradictory to mine, just cute little comebacks.

I'm sure your uncle can out-bench me if he works on a farm, does that mean he knows if dairy is bad for him?

I've been to upstate NY, it's beautiful up there, I'm sure the fish and game you catch is delicious, I'm all for bow hunting, fishing, and survivalist trapping. Does it mean that it's good for you? Does it mean that the elk doesn't have Bovine spongiform encephalopathy? Does it mean the fish isn't full of mercury?

The earth is not fine, not at all. That's a whole different story that I'm sure you are too ignorant to care about.

Also, I too would like to hear you elaborate on how eating a healthy vegan diet is wrong.

I ignored replying to your responses that were just too ignorant...

F34R, in your "what I ate today" post, that's not bad except for the 7up, and fistful of pork.

[750]

A few years back when the news started to talk about the people around Loma Linda who were vegans, living a longer more healthy and happy life. I started to eat more vegetables, less meat. I am about 90% there, I go weeks at a time with out meat.

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[RobertK]

Pretty much half assed/trolled, thanks for playing.



Look at what most Americans eat everyday. Fast food is not meat, it is a bi-product. You know that, people are just plain out lazy to take the extra time to make homemade food that is both cost effective and healthy. I grow a garden with my family, hunt and fish for my food. Pretty much if I cannot grow, pole or shoot it I would have to buy it at the store. Even then I make sure it is good for me, costing more does not matter if it is not processed.

"Wrong" was too short of a comment, I should have elaborated a bit more.

Here is what I ate today:

Breakfast:
Two oranges, two eggs and a half a fist of fresh ground pork. 3 glasses of water.

Lunch:
Homemade pizza with mushrooms, two cups of 7up.

Dinner:
Red potatos mashed with the skins, homemade biscuits with ground beef and steamed carrots, green beans and peas. Frozen from last season. Black tea with lemon and honey.

What YOU ate today still doesn't answer why you said "Eating a vegan diet can provide you EVERYTHING you need to be healthy, there is a giant range of delicious foods and dishes that can be made, and there are so many ways that eating vegan can improve your life." is wrong.

His comment wasn't that it was the ONLY way but rather that a vegan diet can provide you with all the sustenance you need to live a healthy life.

[F34R]

I'm no vegan but god damn you are dumb

Pretty much half assed/trolled, thanks for playing.

You're response "Wrong" was to the comment that "Eating a vegan diet can provide you EVERYTHING you need to be healthy, there is a giant range of delicious foods and dishes that can be made, and there are so many ways that eating vegan can improve your life."

So please elaborate.

Cancer only one of many diseases that over consumption of animal products promotes. For most Americans its heart disease, diabetes, or some other form of cardiovascular failure.

Look at what most Americans eat everyday. Fast food is not meat, it is a bi-product. You know that, people are just plain out lazy to take the extra time to make homemade food that is both cost effective and healthy. I grow a garden with my family, hunt and fish for my food. Pretty much if I cannot grow, pole or shoot it I would have to buy it at the store. Even then I make sure it is good for me, costing more does not matter if it is not processed.

"Wrong" was too short of a comment, I should have elaborated a bit more.

Here is what I ate today:

Breakfast:
Two oranges, two eggs and a half a fist of fresh ground pork. 3 glasses of water.

Lunch:
Homemade pizza with mushrooms, two cups of 7up.

Dinner:
Red potatos mashed with the skins, homemade biscuits with ground beef and steamed carrots, green beans and peas. Frozen from last season. Black tea with lemon and honey.

[imsotyerred]

QUOTE=Threehz


Dairy is a whole different story. Dairy is bad for you for a number of reasons. The fact that humans are naturally allergic to it should be one big sign. The fact that any animals' milk is intended for THAT animal's babies is another sign. Dairy products contain the same animal proteins that promote cancer as well.

Tell that to my 84 year old Uncle that could still out bench you and is STILL working the farm he owns. I am catching a pattern of internet intelligence that is related to eggs also being bad for you. Then they are the best, get in the media line kid. Eat that shit up


The absolute worst part of eating meat, especially beef, is the environmental impact. Cattle farming is destroying our forests, this deforestation is exterminating thousands of species (mainly from the rain forest, where most of the world's best medicine), consuming unimaginable amounts of resources (water, oil, electric), it is one of the largest emitters of methane (which contributes to the greenhouse effect 20 times more than CO2), and the list goes on and on.

We eat cows, thus reducing methane levels. You're welcome.

If the resources that are put into cattle farming were redirected to growing vegetables, world hunger would be solved. In fact, there would also be enough water for everyone in the world as well. The 884,000,000 people who do not have access to clean water would not have to worry anymore.

No one in Africa wants shitty veggies

I actually presented a Public Service Announcement today that I have been working on for a while. One of the most shocking facts I found during research was this:

If everyone living in the United States stopped eating beef for a year, the amount of water that would be saved (not used for cattle farming), is enough for every person living in the United States to have a healthy amount of drinking water (64 ounces or about two liters a day) for 250 years.

I would like to thank you for putting a dent in my meat intake.

Just thought I would share some of these facts because so many people are saying who cares about their health, steak is tasty! Well eating meat is fucking the entire planet over, on an incredibly scary level.

The earth is fine, just getting ready for the 1,000 year reign.

I'm no vegan but god damn you are dumb

[RobertK]

While I can agree that there are good point to eating vegie, I think a lot of peoples problems with meat eating can be blamed on the chemicals added to processed meats.

has anyone ever thought about blaming the over all sedentary life style that we have adopted being at least partially to blame for health woes? If you consume mass amoumts of meat and or vegitables, you must also expend the energy to burn them up.

You're absolutely right. Its a combination of rapid changes to the human culture that our bodies have not been able to evolve fast enough to compensate for.

Processed Junkfoods (Abundance of foods high in sugar, salt, and fat)
Over Consumption of Animal Products
Sedentary Lifestyle
Drinking everything EXCEPT water

Which is why diabetes, heart disease and cancer are rarely seen in 3rd world countries.

[der affe]

While I can agree that there are good point to eating vegie, I think a lot of peoples problems with meat eating can be blamed on the chemicals added to processed meats.

has anyone ever thought about blaming the over all sedentary life style that we have adopted being at least partially to blame for health woes? If you consume mass amoumts of meat and or vegitables, you must also expend the energy to burn them up.

[RobertK]

Never said veggies are bad for you, I happen to eat just as much of those and fruit as I do meat. Everything within moderation no? Cannot have one without the other, that also goes for working out. So much can be over done by eating too much of one thing.

How about this, we have a race...first one to die from cancer loses.

You're response "Wrong" was to the comment that "Eating a vegan diet can provide you EVERYTHING you need to be healthy, there is a giant range of delicious foods and dishes that can be made, and there are so many ways that eating vegan can improve your life."

So please elaborate.

Cancer only one of many diseases that over consumption of animal products promotes. For most Americans its heart disease, diabetes, or some other form of cardiovascular failure.

[F34R]

Actually, so far you've yet to provide an ounce of actual evidence to support any of your views.

Never said veggies are bad for you, I happen to eat just as much of those and fruit as I do meat. Everything within moderation no? Cannot have one without the other, that also goes for working out. So much can be over done by eating too much of one thing.

How about this, we have a race...first one to die from cancer loses.

[RobertK]

well that's not true. humans have two incisors per jaw, two cuspid or canines per jaw and four bicuspid or premolars per jaw. just six molars per jaw. you really should google human dentition before spouting crap to support your theory of humans as herbivores.

human evolution involved a relatively weak, unspecialized mammal making a place in the world by adaptability. hunting and meat eating were crucial in the development of early human physiology, societies and culture.

if you want to spurn animal protein that's fine. don't try to make as if veganism represents a return to a primitive human diet. it's just not true.


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robert w.

MYTH: "Humans were designed to eat meat."

Fact: Human anatomy suggests otherwise. We're designed to be able to eat meat occasionally, as a survival mechanism, but our digestive systems are very similar to those of the other plant-eaters and totally unlike those of carnivores. Also, the less meat someone eats, the less their risk of just about every major disease. Finally, people who don't eat meat have better physical performance, whether they're athletes or not. The argument that humans are carnivores because we possess "canine" teeth ignores the facts that other plant-eaters have these same so-called canine teeth, and that only plant-eaters have molar teeth.

Lets not forget the natural pH factor points toward humans being primarily built for veggies.

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

I eat for meat for the taste. I could care less if I'd survive 1 extra year on this planet based on eating food i dont like. Id rather enjoy my food. btw i weigh 155 and I'm about 10% BF, I run everyday, participate in 5Ks, played soccer, lacrosse, swam competitively, and train at the gym 3-4 times a weak. so I dont see the need to change my diet away from animal products.

All the exercise in the world won't protect you from plaque build up and high cholesterol. Chocolate has small health benefits and I like the way chocolate tastes but you won't catch me eating a candy bar with every meal.

I didn't see this argument but I have heard before " humans have canine and sharp edged teeth, they were designed to cut" . How do people who refuse to eat meat or view it as a political issue feel about that statement.

Most monkeys and apes have larger canines than humans. Its been proven that canines also evolved as a means of protection. Compared to actual carnivores in the wild our canines are useless.

I dont think there is anything wrong with eating animal products, what most Americans fail to get is that the average person eats way too much animal products.

Bingo. I love hot wings.. but limit myself to eating them only once every 6-8 weeks. Same goes for camping. I will usually cook brauts or burgers on the campfire. Don't think I'll ever go back to eating meat with every meal especially considering most all my relatives on both sides of the family suffered from heart disease and diabetes.

Eating a vegan diet can provide you EVERYTHING you need to be healthy, there is a giant range of delicious foods and dishes that can be made, and there are so many ways that eating vegan can improve your life.

Wrong

Funny I can't remember the last time I read a health related news article that told me increased vegetable intake would promote cancer or heart disease.

Actually, so far you've yet to provide an ounce of actual evidence to support any of your views.

I believe the doctor's main source of study was about bovine casein (the protein found in cow's milk) and it's direct link to cancer growth.

Forgot about the casein in milk but honestly a good point is that we're the only mammal that consumes the milk of another animal. No other mammal does this naturally.

[F34R]

you tude and avi work together harmoniously I may say.

You should see me with my hunting knife.

[squidmaster]

Go kill yourself.

Jesus loves~ <3

[RUFFLZ]

Go kill yourself.

you tude and avi work together harmoniously I may say.