Any Vegans on the board?

[squidmaster]

I've never understood the whole vegan thing unless you're allergic to something. It's a fad as far as I'm concerned.
Cutting out certain things I can understand but going vegan just to go vegan, whatever. All aboard the the Steve Irwin....

A fad that's been practiced for a few thousand years. Right.

It's such a fad that the majority of indians are vegetarian (something over 60% of the country).

I just love how the only people offering information, sources, or facts are the vegans or vegan supporters here....

[der affe]

Most bodybuilders will say a minimum of 1 gram of protein / lb of body weight, many say 2 grams / lb, per day. 23 grams of protein is a snack, not a day for a BB'er.

Do you think you could get that kind of protein on a vegan diet?

My non weight gainer whey protein is 52 grams per 2 scoop serving, for example.

[z31maniac]

I am far from the "average" american body builder. I am 150 lbs, 5'7.5" and have a 28 waist. Even when I tried to increase my protein intake to 2 grams per pound, I only went down in weight to 147 and didn't increase in size at all.

I said average american, not average body builder.

[joshh]

I've never understood the whole vegan thing unless you're allergic to something. It's a fad as far as I'm concerned.
Cutting out certain things I can understand but going vegan just to go vegan, whatever. All aboard the the Steve Irwin....

[Stanley Rockafella]

For a body builder? Probably not.

For the average American, it's more than easy enough to get the recommended level of protein.


Quick example:

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm

I am far from the "average" american body builder. I am 150 lbs, 5'7.5" and have a 28 waist. Even when I tried to increase my protein intake to 2 grams per pound, I only went down in weight to 147 and didn't increase in size at all.

[herbivor]

Most bodybuilders will say a minimum of 1 gram of protein / lb of body weight, many say 2 grams / lb, per day. 23 grams of protein is a snack, not a day for a BB'er.

Do you think you could get that kind of protein on a vegan diet?

http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/

[z31maniac]

Most bodybuilders will say a minimum of 1 gram of protein / lb of body weight, many say 2 grams / lb, per day. 23 grams of protein is a snack, not a day for a BB'er.

Do you think you could get that kind of protein on a vegan diet?

For a body builder? Probably not.

For the average American, it's more than easy enough to get the recommended level of protein.


Quick example:

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm

[priapism]

I disagree

I am the same weight with the same muscle mass now, as I was when I was a meat eater. Workouts are also easier as I feel more energetic. I have more energy from the food supplying my muscles as opposed to aiding my body in the digestion of meats.

According to my weight, I am supposed to consume about 23 grams of protein per day. I am easily at about double of that with the consumption of things like chic peas (awesome snack when grilled and seasoned with chilli pepper and Mrs. Dash).

Most bodybuilders will say a minimum of 1 gram of protein / lb of body weight, many say 2 grams / lb, per day. 23 grams of protein is a snack, not a day for a BB'er.

Do you think you could get that kind of protein on a vegan diet?

[2761377]

MYTH: "Humans were designed to eat meat."

where in any of my posts on this topic did i claim this? or espouse 'hate' for vegans? or berate the contributions of women in human history?

if you got those ideas from my words you have misunderstood. probably intentionally. as to be expected when core values are questioned.

humans are omnivores. part of our success as a species is our adaptability. no other species of animal on this planet can make a home above the artic circle and on the equator. i would hope you realize that Aleut populations couldn't survive without a mostly animal protein diet. no choice to be a vegan for them.

whether or not a vegan diet means less money out of your pocket is immaterial. the u.s. as a whole is richer than practically anywhere else in the world. that wealth enables vegans to choose a lifestyle where food becomes a choice of the conscience. try telling people who have to eat rice and/or beans everyday because of poverty that their diet is healthier without meat.

lastly, the onset of agriculture societies led to advanced civilizations through increased time for non-subsistence activities. and it wasn't just about planting crops- animal husbandry was just as important.

to sum up- i couldn't care less what you eat. you can even keep your effete snobbery over your diet.

just don't twist the facts to support your position.


hth
robert w.

[brainspo0n]

a diet where you eat healthier than you did before is relatively healthy?

WHO KNEW

[Stanley Rockafella]

And, when it comes to working out and gettin'uge, I'm talking real bodybuilding not just health related fitness, there is no substitute for meat. sorry vegans.

I disagree

I am the same weight with the same muscle mass now, as I was when I was a meat eater. Workouts are also easier as I feel more energetic. I have more energy from the food supplying my muscles as opposed to aiding my body in the digestion of meats.

According to my weight, I am supposed to consume about 23 grams of protein per day. I am easily at about double of that with the consumption of things like chic peas (awesome snack when grilled and seasoned with chilli pepper and Mrs. Dash).

[imsotyerred]

^ I'm a big fan of Garden of Eden's "Raw Protein" for working out. The amino acid profile and digestibility I think is superior to that of any other protein powder out there. I don't think it includes soy. I'm not a huge fan of eating a lot of any one food including soy, and especially soy isolates. It's easy to become a junk food vegan if you rely heavily on soy.

also soy is all GMO, no bueno

Personally, I'm a meat eater, I fucking love meat. That being said, a vegetarian diet is amazing if you have the space to grow your own veggies. Unfortunately I can not, nor can I afford to buy the amount of veggies I would need on a daily basis. The best I can do on my budget is take advantage of every salad bar that I can.

Limiting meat is great for you. Also, If we devoted as much land to growing vegetables and grains for humans as we do to raise livestock(incl. food for livestock) It would be truly revolutionary. There is such an incredible amount of very fertile soil in North America that is wasted.

And, when it comes to working out and gettin'uge, I'm talking real bodybuilding not just health related fitness, there is no substitute for meat. sorry vegans. (that is not to say that one can't build muscle with a vege diet, however)

If I had the budget to do so, these would be my priorities:
Whole grain/long grain rice/orzo/cous cous/quinoa - Fiber, carbohydrates, some protein
lots of colorful veggies - peppers, broccoli, asparagus, Kale/mustard greens, collard greens, leeks, carrots, spinach spinach spinach, tomatoes, etc. - Fiber, vitamins/minerals, phytochemicals, strong poops
fruits - whatever is in season....blue/black/raspberries, oranges, bananas, apples, pineapple, watermelon etc. - sugar, vitamins/minerals, tasty as shit
beans/legumes/nuts - the more variety and color, the better - Fiber, carbohydrates, protein, fat. This category includes peanuts and such.
meats - mostly chicken, lamb, some beef - I love grilling
I rarely snack so no sweets for me

All as organic/natural as I can get. To drink, I choose water, beer, and wine

[herbivor]

^ I'm a big fan of Garden of Eden's "Raw Protein" for working out. The amino acid profile and digestibility I think is superior to that of any other protein powder out there. I don't think it includes soy. I'm not a huge fan of eating a lot of any one food including soy, and especially soy isolates. It's easy to become a junk food vegan if you rely heavily on soy.

[squidmaster]

Soy protein for working out:

"A review of the research into soy consumption for health purposes, uncovered many benefits.

1. Soy protein has a 1.0 PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid score) score - the highest possible. The PDCAAS is the standard measurement of protein quality.
2. Soy protein increases the nutritional value of other foods due to its complete amino acid profile.
3. Soy has been shown to reduce the likelihood of heart disease through its ability to lower cholesterol. Results from a meta-analysis of 38 clinical studies concluded that soy protein consumption may help lower total blood cholesterol and LDL-cholesterol as compared to animal protein consumption.
4. In 1999, the FDA determined that four-servings of soy protein per-day could reduce LDL cholesterol (the bad type, HDL being the good) by up to 10%.
   
5. Although soy helps to lower LDL, it doesn't effect HDL status, which is also a good thing. The American Heart Association also recommends the consumption of soy protein (with naturally occurring isoflavones) as part of a heart-healthy diet for those with elevated total and LDL cholesterol.
   
6. Soy protein is also thought to reduce the risk of other illnesses such as colon, breast and prostate cancer, as well as osteoporosis. Research has shown several bioactive compounds found in soybeans (isoflavones being one) to reduce the risk of certain cancers.
7. Soy enhances athletic performance. The isoflavones found in soy protein produce antioxidant effects, which speed recovery and reduce muscle soreness and inflammation.
   In addition, soy does supply a full complement of amino acids for the exercising muscles - muscles will become larger and stronger with soy protein. In fact, athletes who incorporate both soy and whey protein in their nutritional regimens may benefit from their different rates of digestion and amino acid absorption.
8. Cost: one of the biggest benefits to the consumer is the considerable reduction in cost, using soy will present. With whey protein costs soaring, soy might prove to be much less expensive (around two-dollars-per-pound less).
9. Beneficial for women's health. Consuming soy protein has a number of benefits unique to women's health, including the alleviation of symptoms associated with menopause, the protection of bone health and the a reduction of the risk of breast cancer.

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Many people still recommend a whey and soy mixture for workouts, but quite a few say soy is better.

[Ryan Stewart]

Laughing at the comments. My wife and I have been vegan for 20 years. My wife has her degree in health and nutrition. I wont debate this on a forum, but I just wanted to say that ill informed people with opinions make me laugh. Knowing almost nothing on a subject never seems to stop people from giving their two cents. Keep up the "people need to eat meat crap" cause its making my day.

btw...we have three kids (18, 17, 13) all of whom are very healthy.

The "without doing it properly" part was pretty clear. No single non-animal source can give you a true, complete protien. Its why many people who give up meat run into issues (or end up gaining weight). You need to plan a few specific combinations to make sure you are getting a complete protien. Its one of the chemical triggers to being "full."

As for what is intended, the binocular vision and incisors point to a diet that included prey.