Any Vegans on the board?

[F34R]

Stuff like wild caught salmon here approaches and sometimes goes past $20/lb.

This is why I own a fishing pole, .223 and a 12ga Nothing better than gutting/skinning and into the pan.

[Stephen]

What's your cook and prep time like? THats something i struggle with currently between school and work. I'm not interested in going full vegetarian/vegan, but i already don't usually eat red meat unless i'm out for dinner, and would like to cut cost/ increase veggie. Grain is easy.

[z31maniac]

I'm not saying you are wrong, but from shopping around here it seems the produce section is by far the most expensive; especially in quantities large enough to substitue meat. Maybe it varies by area. Buying large cuts of fresh meat is expensive yea, but if i cook up a small portion of chicken or fish along with something else, its usually dirt cheap. I guess the problem i have with that study is 9$ for a meal AT HOME is not cheap, no matter what youre eating.

Granted we shop at Whole Foods, but switching to a mostly veggie/grain diet has reduced the cost of our avg trip by approx 40%.

Stuff like wild caught salmon here approaches and sometimes goes past $20/lb.

[squidmaster]

I'm not saying you are wrong, but from shopping around here it seems the produce section is by far the most expensive; especially in quantities large enough to substitue meat. Maybe it varies by area. Buying large cuts of fresh meat is expensive yea, but if i cook up a small portion of chicken or fish along with something else, its usually dirt cheap. I guess the problem i have with that study is 9$ for a meal AT HOME is not cheap, no matter what youre eating.

I spend, personally, between $1-$4 for a meal that feeds 2-3 people. I spend $40 every week and a half/two weeks.

[Stephen]

it's actually opposite! I was suspicious before. but convinced now.

http://www.good.is/post/is-it-cheaper-to-be-vegan-vegetarian-or-a-meat-eater/

on average, eating a vegan diet is cheaper, unless you're going for the prepared meals, and I mean, they're the same price as the non-vegan prepared meals except there aren't as many ridiculously terrible and synthetic options as the omnivores get.

I know this for a fact, being a cook and a vegan, and running a recipe and cooking website, that I cut my food bill in half. Coming home from the supermarket with a large box full of groceries for $40 (even with expensive indulgences) is fantastic.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but from shopping around here it seems the produce section is by far the most expensive; especially in quantities large enough to substitue meat. Maybe it varies by area. Buying large cuts of fresh meat is expensive yea, but if i cook up a small portion of chicken or fish along with something else, its usually dirt cheap. I guess the problem i have with that study is 9$ for a meal AT HOME is not cheap, no matter what youre eating.

[Roysneon]

quoted from a minister
"There’s a slow poison out there that’s severely damaging our children and threatening to tear apart our culture… When you eat or drink a lot of soy stuff, you’re also getting substantial quantities of estrogens… Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality"

Well fuck that's legit.

[squidmaster]

maybe not all the way but

"According to information published online in July by Human Reproduction, after monitoring the diets of 99 men who were attending the Massachusetts General Hospital Fertility Center, researchers found, “inverse association between the amount of soy food and isoflavones consumed and the quality of the men’s sperm; in other words, the men who ate the most soy had the lowest sperm quality, and this remained true even after allowing for weight, smoking, alcohol and caffeine consumption.”

The study was conducted over a three-month period and included 15 different soy-based foods.

quoted from a minister
"There’s a slow poison out there that’s severely damaging our children and threatening to tear apart our culture… When you eat or drink a lot of soy stuff, you’re also getting substantial quantities of estrogens… Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality"

well now we know that soy doesn't contain estrogen so that's a lie. Eating a ton of soy isn't good, but in moderation (a few times a week) it has proven time and time again that it's beneficial

[Thizzelle]

maybe not all the way but

"According to information published online in July by Human Reproduction, after monitoring the diets of 99 men who were attending the Massachusetts General Hospital Fertility Center, researchers found, “inverse association between the amount of soy food and isoflavones consumed and the quality of the men’s sperm; in other words, the men who ate the most soy had the lowest sperm quality, and this remained true even after allowing for weight, smoking, alcohol and caffeine consumption.”

The study was conducted over a three-month period and included 15 different soy-based foods.

quoted from a minister
"There’s a slow poison out there that’s severely damaging our children and threatening to tear apart our culture… When you eat or drink a lot of soy stuff, you’re also getting substantial quantities of estrogens… Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality"

[squidmaster]

Did you even read what I said or what it was a response to? You didn't contradict anything I said.

And in response to the first article - that is one person's opinion. She tries to link meat consumption to and increased risks of cancer. The vague logic behind it was chickens being fed arsenic and increased cholesterol for people that eat meat. This has more to do with getting bad quality chicken and an overall unhealthy diet. If you have high cholesterol then it's a problem with your overall diet which needs to be changed. Meat itself is not bad but like everything it should be eaten in moderation.
Like I said in the post you quoted, it's best to have a varied diet. That applies to being either regular people or vegetarians but IMO, vegetarians are more likely to have less of a varied diet since they are restricting themselves to only non-meat foods. If I go out to eat I can choose anything on the menu, not so with someone restricting themselves to only things that don't contain meat.

On the second article, that supports what I was saying about not all protein being the same in terms of amino acids in response to the statement "protein is protien".
The only bad things it was saying about meat they were basing on increased calcium consumption which is interesting since their chart lists the meat as having way less calcium than most of everything else on there.

To summarize my opinion on the topic - it is that the key to being healthy is a varied diet of all natural foods. Varied meaning a balanced diet from all food groups - grains, vegetables, fruits, meat, dairy, etc... And know what to eat in moderation. But excluding all meat all together is not the answer.

I contradicted what you said when you said that eating a balanced diet [including animal proteins] is the healthier choice. Other than that, I agree that proteins and their formation are completely different. Protein isn't a single type of chemical; it's a grouping.

[z31maniac]

Started eating mostly vegetarian, not vegan, a few months ago. Occasionally will grill a piece of salmon at the house, and now usually only eat meat when we go out for dinner.

Feel better, it's cheaper, etc.

[drumad]

Came in here expecting a dick measuring contest and wasn't disappointed.

I follow a keto lifestyle and none of my diet practices would fit in well with any of you.

[squidmaster]

also been studies on this where men have sterilized themselfs from drinking and eating soy.

Since this is so well documented could you link us to the paper?

[Thizzelle]

Eating lots of soy protein will increase your estrogen levels and will to an extent, decrease your test levels. Just thought you might want to know that. Have you thought about decreasing your red meat, but increasing your intake of fish and chicken instead?

also been studies on this where men have sterilized themselfs from drinking and eating soy.

[VinniE30]

I never said it's impossible to have a healthy diet without meat.
It's certainly possible to get your body's protein needs without meat. But it's more difficult and unnecessary to exclude it.
Why restrict yourself to only non-meat foods? You're missing out on a lot of good food and you're going to need to find other foods to get the protein from that you might not normally eat regularly. You're not going to be any healthier unless you had an unbalanced to begin with or were just eating way too much meat. If you're that concerned with your diet then just eat it in moderation, no good reason to completely exclude it.

[evandael]

But excluding all meat all together is not the answer.

for you, perhaps. meat is not a necessary part of the human diet. i've been vegetarian for 6 years and suffer no ill effects, in fact, i personally am better off.