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[george graves]

Pine makes for beautiful floors.

Isn't pine too soft for floors?

[Staszek]

Isn't pine too soft for floors?

Thats what I always thought. They are definitely one of the softer woods, but people do still use the old stuff. I dont think you will see much of it in new homes though.

[flyboyx]

Isn't pine too soft for floors?

pine isn't used today because about the only thing available is southern yellow which is shit.

from the turn of the century up to about 1920, 2 1/4" pine was almost as common and oak. it was probably cheaper in those days but if you can find it, its much more expensive now. it is, obviously, softer than hardwoods, but as long as it isn't used in a commercial traffic area or where you have 150lb dogs running amok, it holds up very well.

any time i see someone demoing a home that has pine floors, i always go in and reclaim it. i don't bother with oak.

[MR E30 325is]

pine isn't used today because about the only thing available is southern yellow which is shit.

from the turn of the century up to about 1920, 2 1/4" pine was almost as common and oak. it was probably cheaper in those days but if you can find it, its much more expensive now. it is, obviously, softer than hardwoods, but as long as it isn't used in a commercial traffic area or where you have 150lb dogs running amok, it holds up very well.

any time i see someone demoing a home that has pine floors, i always go in and reclaim it. i don't bother with oak.

While I wouldn't use pine for flooring, calling Southern Yellow Pine shit is incorrect.

It's one of the strongest structural woods there is. I spec it on my projects on a daily basis.

[AwakenNoMore]

Picked up this green monster on holiday sale. Fanned fret lefty 8-string for $400? Hell yes.

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[rturbo 930]

Isn't pine too soft for floors?

To add onto what flyboy was saying...

There is old growth wood, and new growth wood. Old growth is what was growing here for hundreds of years in forests, and has nice tight grain, good rot resistance, etc. New growth is the soft shit you get at home depot. I'm not sure how long they let it grow before harvesting for lumber, but I'm guessing no more than 50 years. I believe old growth stock ran out sometime between the depression and the end of WW2. Not sure.

Old growth pine is, as you'd expect, of a much greater quality than new growth pine. It is softer than oak, yes, but if you look at a lot of the older homes in the northeast (roughly mid 1800s and older - it varies), you'll find that a lot of them have floors that are made of absolutely beautiful wide plank pine planks. In terms of looks, oak doesn't hold a candle to nice pine floors. Newer (roughly mid 1800s up to the depression) homes also seem to have pine floors pretty commonly, but they're not as wide. Could be production changes, could be supply. My parent's 1930 beach house had the first floor floors redone about 15 years ago. Underneath carpet and dark stain was a really stunning quartersawn pine (or similar) wood floor in the main part of the house.

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[flyboyx]

While I wouldn't use pine for flooring, calling Southern Yellow Pine shit is incorrect.

It's one of the strongest structural woods there is. I spec it on my projects on a daily basis.

hmmm....while you have your engineering book in front of you to recite from, i would say that sitka spruce is the strongest structural wood based on strength to weight ratio. there are tons of woods that are much stronger than yellow pine. the problem is that they simply aren't readily available for construction.

when i say southern yellow is crap, i am going to have to stick to my opinion there. the wood that comes from the home center(or any lumber store really) is full of knots, always warped and generally unstable in all dimensions. douglas fir is a much better product from a construction point of view.

[mrsleeve]

the old school old growth heart pine cut 100+ years ago is nearly as hard as most hardwoods we get today. If you can get your hands on it for a reasonable price it makes a fantastic flooring.....

I so want to do blue pine (beetle kill) though out most of house since I have mills with in a stones toss that cut it every day, (I can also get true size, dug fir, cede, white and yellow pine as well) but the wife wants something a bit more durable, so we are likely going with an oak or hickory, since we have dogs and inlaws that are very hard on floors.

Yes yellow pine is very strong structurally, but it dose not make that good of a flooring material. Great for holding it up though.

[uturn]

Kyosho Fairwind 2, needed something without a keel bulb to get snagged in the grass when I go to Lady Bird Lake.

[ForcedFirebird]

How much, and what's the zooommmmmmmmm?

This much! Crappy cell pointing in weakest 20mm eyepiece. It's the fine print at the bottom of the Domino's billboard.

[deutschman]

This isn't Pine. Its Fir. Also a conifer but different tree then pine. It was used a lot for framing in homes in the old days. You find a lot of it in Victorian and 1920's era homes, and it true dimensional 2x4 instead of the 1.5x3.5 we get these days. They used old growth to frame with too. I found some amazing stuff in some walls when I was working remodel in SF CA.

[rturbo 930]

Close enough. Still beautiful.

[mrsleeve]

^

If you know where to look you can still get true dimensional stuff and very nice Fir flooring today, its just not old growth unfortunately. I have a couple ceder 2x4s out in the shop

[M-technik-3]

While I wouldn't use pine for flooring, calling Southern Yellow Pine shit is incorrect.

It's one of the strongest structural woods there is. I spec it on my projects on a daily basis.

Southern Yellow pine is well regarded as great flooring.

[M-technik-3]

This was delivered to me a great price, barter work.