Why do American Cars Suck So Bad?

[Stanley Rockafella]

here ya go:

here is a 1991 Ford Tempo with 78k original miles, 4 cyl auto and a slight dent in the door, asking price is $850.

http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/cto/3596600037.html

How much would a 1991 E30 4 cyl auto w/ 78k original miles go for?

Probably upwards $5000.

How can you compare a Tempo to an e30? the e30 is categorized as "luxury", whereas the Tempo was intended to be cheap, mass transportation.

[nando]

Hands down the Taurus SHO with its twin-turbo 3.5 liter V6

past

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k8KM667fgE&feature=player_detailpage

present

it weighs 4400lbs too.

fuck that. That's like a full size truck. 350hp in a 4400lb car isn't really that impressive. Also, it only comes in automatic.

the 1st generation SHO was cooler in every way possible. The car itself is shit but the motor revs like a motorcycle and lasts forever. Of course nothing in the engine was made by Ford either.

[iamsam]

How can you compare a Tempo to an e30? the e30 is categorized as "luxury", whereas the Tempo was intended to be cheap, mass transportation.

Hey I didn't equalize ALL variables, I just opened up CL and this is one of the first cars I saw.

So... what American car would you compare to an E30?

the 1st generation SHO was cooler in every way possible. The car itself is shit but the motor revs like a motorcycle and lasts forever.

That's because it's a Yamaha motor.

[iamsam]

Also, a gripe about BMWs:

Why do they always have to get bigger and heavier? Also power increases are not that impressive over older models.

I wish BMWs (particularly Ms) would follow a similar trend as Corvettes and get huge power increases and negligible weight gain and size increase.

[mulletman]

So... what American car would you compare to an E30?

I wouldn't. There aren't any that would be a good comparison, they were in a totally different market. Much the same way that comparing a new Mustang to an M3 is stupid.... No one that is in the market for a new M3 is considering a Mustang, and no one who is in the market for a Mustang is considering a new M3.

It's like comparing a base-model C6 Corvette to a Lotus Elise, just because they happen to be somewhat similarly priced.

Also, a gripe about BMWs:



Why do they always have to get bigger and heavier? Also power increases are not that impressive over older models.



I wish BMWs (particularly Ms) would follow a similar trend as Corvettes and get huge power increases and negligible weight gain and size increase.

This is my biggest complaint about anything new. Every new car is too damn heavy.

[FredK]

it weighs 4400lbs too.

Haha, I saw one at an autocross. It handles terribly. But autocross is definitely a weird discipline where a 110hp Honda can hand you your ass.

[slammin.e28]

I have come to the conclusion that auto makers who use letters in parts numbers usually manufacture shitty cars.

/thread.

[nando]

Haha, I saw one at an autocross. It handles terribly. But autocross is definitely a weird discipline where a 110hp Honda can hand you your ass.

actually, I think that's the point.

Mrs. SHO is all like, yeah, I have teh 350hps!

Mr. Honda is like.. well, I only have 1/3rd the power, but you weigh 4x more you fat fucking pig.

:p

[ELVA164]

lol mustang.


edit: Ford Europe and USA are like two completely different car companies imo anyways...


edit: edit altho out of the new lines off trucks I think Ford got the best line-up with the Raptor, that's alot of fun, I have yet to drive a newer Chevy truck tho'.

They generally always have been, but I feel that they're finally starting to share a bit. Hence the Fiesta, new Focus, etc. It's a good sign.