IMO, one of the worst terrorists in America.....

[uflnuceng]

Trial and error is not an acceptable way to learn to handle a vehicle.

Wow... I love you. Beautiful post.

I wish we could ahve a graduated license like you described. My wife when she was young got a brand new Eagle Talon when she was 17 and was explicitely told by her parents not to have anyone in the car. She immediately went out, put two of her friends in the car and rolled it into a ditch, totalling the car. My wife is bar-none a horrible driver. She also managed to total a Ford Taurus when she hit a large tree.... driving down the driveway of her parents house!

In hind site I can see exactly what I did wrong in the 3 accidents I have had in my driving history (I'm only 28 and have been driving since 17).

1) Pulling out of a parking space I misjudged the dimensions of my car and hit parked car that belonged to a teacher of my school. I tracked her down and confessed I hit her car and paid $300 to repair the damange, a small fortune for a 17 yr old... or for me it was.

2) When I was 21 I got a 95 Jetta and taking a turn to hot I wrecked and spun around. Facing the wrong way on a very narrow one-way bridge. If anyone else had been there it could have been very bad. I was definitely at fault on that one and now that I have had HPDE classes I see that I was going too fast and I pulled on the steering wheel too much and then over corrected when I lost traction.

3) When I was 27 I lost control of a 93 325i I had just bought from a "friend" who said he put an M3 suspension on it. In actuality he just cut the stock coils by one and a half coils and didn't tell me, I took a turn at a speed I had done in other cars but this time the suspension bottomed out, my rear passenger side wheel lost contact and sent me on a nice spin. I'm up in the air if that was my fault or not... I was pissed at my ex-friend for doing something so stupid, but I should have inspected it closer I guess.

Anyway... the point of this post is just that kids should experience an accident... but I wish that we had the ability to teach them all on closed circuits. When I got my driver "training" in high school I was put on the interstate the very first day! What the FUCK! I don't know if I am biased because I can afford it but we need a graduated and expensive process to keep idiots off the road. There are still plenty of idiots who go to HPDE schools who do stupid shit on public roads through pedestrian crowded areas (ex-friend as a good example).

I'm just scared to be honest. I know one day I will have children and to think of them causing an accident or being in one that could result in a fatality makes me scared to death.

Sorry for the long post... no cliffnotes though.

[Tvan]

Tvan's average post is two sentences long, ususally composed of sentence fragments.

I wrote enough in that thread awhile back on Apple's new intel-based computers to cover my ass for a couple of months.

I searched, and looked at every one of his 353 posts while I ate my lunch.

Get a fucking life.

You know that if you don't like my posts, you can just block them, right?

Now, how about every time I make a post, someone crawls up my ass and yells (hey, use more words, fucker!)



Edit: I've never even seen you on this forum before...

[benDASHDASH]

Heeter, if you want to argue, find someone who cares what you have to say. I didn't read your post.

[h0lmes]

lol every thread on r3v turns into an argument. For once I am not blamed for it. Don't get any ideas James.

[Bokes]

i still suck at driving at the age of 20.

[Old'n'Slow]

:ohsnap:

Get a fucking life.

Got one. Like it fine.

You know that if you don't like my posts, you can just block them, right?

[yoda]This can you do as well![/yoda]

Now, how about every time I make a post, someone crawls up my ass and yells (hey, use more words, fucker!)

Edit: I've never even seen you on this forum before...

Probably because I don't post two-sentence snippets on every fucking thread I read...:roll: I've been posting here twice as long as you...



BENdashdash: who are you talking to? Using the quote function would help...

hOlmes: LOL. I don't usually get into 'em, but this was too rich to pass up...

Bokes: you're never too old... :D

[rwh11385]

Heeter, if you want to argue, find someone who cares what you have to say. I didn't read your post.

if you want to post retarded shit, go to e30tech

[Tvan]

Old'n'Slow: I don't personally care that you have a distaste for my participation on this board. You haven't angered me in any way, and I hope you realize that I don't care what you think. I apologize if my attempted humor offended you in any way. End of OT discussion.

[Old'n'Slow]

Old'n'Slow: I don't personally care that you have a distaste for my participation on this board. You haven't angered me in any way, and I hope you realize that I don't care what you think. I apologize if my attempted humor offended you in any way. End of OT discussion.

Thanks. Allow me to offer this gift in the spirit of humorous reconciliation.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[bimmer8604]

tvan, respect your elders fucker.

I agree with what most of the people are saying on this topic besides the "im a good driver" or "im an above average driver".

Im 19(soon to be 20) and yea, im not the greatest driver in the world, but when it comes to riding with my friends, i dont do it. Hell, most of my friends dont wear seatbelts, and I dont even start my car unless ALL passengers have seatbelts on. their typical "well your a good driver" excuse doesnt pass with me. Its not ME im worried about, its the other morons on the road. I realized that when some fuckin bitch ran a red light and totaled my first e30. She was 19, and on her cell phone. she didnt even see the impact. Shes lucky some other guy she hit came over and calmed me down.

Here, for the retards, the cliffnotes:
Teen drivers suck. Distractions are bad,mmmk? Seatbelts FTW.

Kyle

[Old'n'Slow]

tvan, respect your elders fucker.

Dood! He said he was sorry! We're !


Your comment about "it's not me I'm worried about, it's the other morons on the road..." is well taken.

You can do everything right as a driver and still wind up as red pulp all over the inside of your car, because some distracted doofus yakking on a phone, reading the paper or putting on their makeup crossed the double yellow suddenly and ruined your day!

Always have an out. It's hard to do it all the time, but it's worth being aware of...

[marakka]

^^^^^ Is so fuckin true. I used to feel secure about driving. Used to be what I thought was a very aggressive driver that could handle the road. That was until I was hit by a teen not paying attention and sent sliding into a concrete pole. My passenger was crippled and I was sent to the ICU via a nifty helicopter ride. The girl was 17 from California just visiting some relatives and wanting to find a bar that she could drink at. Since then I've had an uncurable fear of what the guy in the next lane may do or will that truck in my rearview stop?

I've owned plenty of cars and had plenty of driving experience. I'm like Nando and been driving for well over a decade. I've had tickets. I've had accidents. I have done my dumbest driving as I got older. But then again I had the more powerful cars once I got older. Hell.... just today I spun my wagon (RIP) in the snow on post fuckin around. 2 days ago I spun my neon ON THE AUTOBAHN. Shit happens. The neon wasn't something I could avoid. Black ice is a sunnuva bitch. The bmw.... well... thats what RWD and snow does. But the fact remains..... I know how to drive and I attest that to the sheer number of years I've been driving.

Here in Germany people respect the road. There are no hairpin turns on the "interstate" (autobahn) that could cause accidents. IF there are large turns they are noted MILES in advance. The roads are much much much more well maintained. I saw potholes that could swallow VW Bugs while I was home last month. That shit don't fly here. 150mph and a potholle does not mix. People STAY in the right lane except to pass. Yes.... at speed you can come up REAL quick on someone and have to jack on the brakes. There's idiots all over the world. But for the most part Germans know what they are doing. Yes... it costs approximately 2000 euro to get your license here and its a much more strenuous process. You also have to be older to get it here than in the states. But that doesn't mean there aren't the same kind of problems with kid drivers. About 3 weeks ago I watched a young girl flip her scooter on herself and knocked herself unconcious. It was obvious that her inexperience caused the accident.


Enough rambling.... Teen drivers suck balls.

[Tvan]

WTF Kyle? I'll respect whoever I choose. You, however are barely older than me, warranting my use of the STFU against you.

-Tvan

[FJ40]

Funny thing is that just yesterday I came out of school and there was a 4runner and lowered civic sitting out in the street blocking traffic, totalled. Believe it or not, standing next to the wreck was a bunch of kids!

chase

[CleanAzzE30z]

Mmmmm... shitty kid drivers. I use to be one. I absolutely hate what we call "driver education" over here. I'm all for a German inspired system where tailgating will cost you $800, and it costs something like $1500-2000 to get a driver's license after god knows how many years of driving instruction. Fuck any argument about there not being enough public transportation... then don't live over an hour from where you work.

Whenever I have kids, they will each get a go kart at age 5 and start learning how to drive from that day forward. I just had a 1240 mile drive to Key Largo a couple weeks ago and the shit I saw some people pulling pissed me off. Then I go and get pissed and have to pass them on the right, which if the system were perfect I would get a nice big ticket for, but then again the asshole who made me do that would realize that slow traffic should stay right, pass left.

Oh... where was I... oh yeah... teen drivers in the US are abhoringly bad.

I like this guy already.