MrK, are you ok?

[adeelpowers]

in case you havent heard, all this is over two israeli POW's

Just like our motto in the US, "leave no man behind" Israel believe in it also. All the fucking palestinians have to do is return the 2 soldiers and the attacks on them would halt. But instead Hamas wants to swap hundreds of guilty arabs for them. Fucking morons.

[Brew]

Can you say, World War 3?

[Jordan325iC]

I think the idea that we should just "kill all the Palistines" is a bit shallow. They were kicked off the land that they had occupied for hundreds of years, and then they are expected to just accept it? I don't believe either side is evil, or even wrong. They are merely groups in opposition.

And I've got a friend in Lebanon right now. I'd rather he comes back alive.

[CleanAzzE30z]

a few things of note: iran has syria's back if israel attacks them. if iran gets involved against israel, chances are near 100% that the u.s. will fight alongside israel. that could bring anti-american sentiment to full yield in that region, and we could easily be looking at a big, bloody, expensive, full-blown and then guerilla war on the scale of 5 or 6 iraqs.

palestine doesnt actually have any territory, you cant "level" palestine in the same way that you cant level blacksilvania.

in case you havent heard, all this is over two israeli POW's

some sense in all this hubub.

Mariano

[CleanAzzE30z]

I think the idea that we should just "kill all the Palistines" is a bit shallow. They were kicked off the land that they had occupied for hundreds of years, and then they are expected to just accept it? I don't believe either side is evil, or even wrong. They are merely groups in opposition.

And I've got a friend in Lebanon right now. I'd rather he comes back alive.

Even more sense. We're fed this news about when Palestinians bomb and not when Israelis kill innocent Palestinians Im not taking sides I just laugh when people just re-gurgitate what they are fed by the U.S. Gov. Our blind support of Israel is a large part of what has brought these terrorists knocking, along with our shitty foreign policies. Read stuff, then attain knowledge, then speak.

Mariano

[chuckybob]

All the fucking palestinians have to do is return the 2 soldiers and the attacks on them would halt. But instead Hamas wants to swap hundreds of innocent arabs and a few guilty ones for them.

fixt.

hamas wants to use the soldiers as a bargaining chip for the return of palestinian prisoners who are important to their movement. its pretty unlikely that theyll give them up. not to mention that israel is the agressor in this situation, and its going to shed a negative light on them, which is exactly what the palistinian authority wants.

[adeelpowers]

fixt.

hamas wants to use the soldiers as a bargaining chip for the return of palestinian prisoners who are important to their movement. its pretty unlikely that theyll give them up. not to mention that israel is the agressor in this situation, and its going to shed a negative light on them, which is exactly what the palistinian authority wants.

Hamas and Hezbollah went into Israel first and killed soldiers and took a few captive. How is Israel the aggressor in this situation?

Also, the whole logic of Israel bombing innocent civilians in Lebanon is a bunch of Bologne. Israel first drops thousands of leaflets on the area is going to bomb and then does it after civilians have been warned. Also, its not Israel's fault that these Islamic Terrorists hide behind civilians. Of course civilians are going to get killed if you hide behind them! At least Israel takes these procautions and is upset when innocent civilians die where as Hamas and Hezbollah purposely attack cilivans and cheer their deaths. Islamic Terrorists are nothing but cowards.

[CleanAzzE30z]

jesus. Ill give you a pamphlet saying Im gonna dive-by your fucking house, if you have any principles (which these people are acting on to-the-death) you wont move just due to some threats. Its ok that I shoot up your house as long as I warn you????? Cmon man, the U.S. constantly violates the very belief it says to promote around the world as long as it suits its interest. Bullshit. Why arent we de-throning the other far more tyrant rulers in Africa???? Cuz theres no money in it.....learn world politics.

Mariano

[aaron.j]

don't let that bother ya.

[MrK]

Even more sense. We're fed this news about when Palestinians bomb and not when Israelis kill innocent Palestinians Im not taking sides I just laugh when people just re-gurgitate what they are fed by the U.S. Gov. Our blind support of Israel is a large part of what has brought these terrorists knocking, along with our shitty foreign policies. Read stuff, then attain knowledge, then speak.

Mariano

True story.

I appreciate that at least SOMEONE (Mariano) has realized that media CAN be (and usually is to some degree) biased.

And for those who asked about my wellfare, I'm actually in Dubai at the moment, and have been for over a month, so I'm fine thx.

Here's the Lebanese take on what's happening (for those who are interested):

I'm Lebanese, and NOT affiliated with Hizbollah. The rest of us Lebanese that are not Hizbollah coexist with them as a sort of 'necessary evil' that did a better job of pushing Israel out of South Lebanon than the Lebanese Army managed. The way I see it, Israel wants to disarm Hizbollah (FINE by me), but is blaming the Lebanese Gov't for not doing so.

Newsflash: Hizbollah cannot be controlled by the Lebanese Gov't.

And 'leveling' Lebanon is about as logical as leveling all major US cities to reduce crime. (You kill the criminals, but you also kill the 100 million innocent ppl that live there too)

I don't like that my country is under attack, especially considering that with the exception of Hizbollah, ALL Lebanese would rather live at peace with all their neighbors than be dragged back into war.

One has to always bear in mind that there is no 'black and white' in world politics, under careful examination, everything turns out to be a nauseating, corrupted, money and power-driven brown.

To everyone who doesn't agree with what I said, I'm fine with that too, we are all entitled to our opinions, and what is said above is not being forced upon you as fact, it is simply my opinion.

[Avus E30]

MrK I think that is the most appropriate way to put it.

[chuckybob]

Hamas and Hezbollah went into Israel first and killed soldiers and took a few captive. How is Israel the aggressor in this situation?

look, its a really long story, but heres the gist of it (or just skip to the summary):

during ww1, england promises the arabs in the region freedom if they fight the turks, at the same time drawing up plans for the region with france that arent what they promised. (*cough cough*big source of anti-western sentiment in the arab world*cough*) because of the agreements made after ww1 when the world map was re-drawn, a great deal of arab land falls within the borders of the region known as "palestine", the rest under "jordan". most importantly jerusalem, a MAJOR holy city for the three big abrahamic desert religions is in palestine.

post ww1, pre ww2, jewish immigrants move to the region under the banner of zionism and the ideal of establishing a jewish homeland. land is traded fairly with currency, and everybody's decently happy (except for anti-semetic bigots). a few jewish terrorist groups form at this time, though they focus on assassination of leaders in interest of justice for the jewish population and not terrorism as we know it today.

post ww2, plans are drawn up for a jewish homeland which we now know as israel. because of england's backstabbing, land deeds in palestine were not honored, and a great many arabs lost land that they had been on for centuries with nothing to compensate them but jordan. this pisses them off and many groups form in the interest of getting the treatied land back from the newly formed israel. most of them resort to terrorist means.

that almost brings us up to speed.

post creation of israel, the arabs are pissed because they want the land they were promised and they feel they deserve it over the israelis, because they had been occupying the land for longer. the israelis wont move because they were promised the same land and they feel that they deserve it over the arabs because they had occupied the land before the arabs had.

this bad blood continues until it explodes in the six days war, where israel pwn3d four surrounding arab states in just six days.

the arabs as a whole get pissed and start seeing israel as a threat to their national security, more terror groups form. bullshit gets passed back and forth between the two sides, each getting more pissed off at eachother as the time goes on until finally, within the last week, israel says "you know what, fuck this" and invades not only the palestinian authority (which doesnt really have any territory), capturing 1/3 of the democratically elected hamas government, but also invades a neighboring sovern state, bombing the shit out of their infrastructure to try to get at hezbollah, an party which the government has no control over, over two POW's.

summary:

the british started it, the palestinian terrorist groups continued it, but israel and only israel escalated it to this extreme level.



mrk thank you very much for giving your own perspective on this, all were getting over here is news feeds and anecdotes.

[mtechnik]

Why arent we de-throning the other far more tyrant rulers in Africa???? Cuz theres no money in it.....learn world politics.

Mariano

:) ¡Digan Mariano !

and of course glad you are ok MrK !!!!

[assoutE12]

the british started it, the palestinian terrorist groups continued it, but israel and only israel escalated it to this extreme level.

thats a damn good way of summing it up

[h0lmes]

thats a damn good way of summing it up

Actually I think that the Palestineans escalated it to this level with all the terrorist attacks and kidnapping soldiers. Did they really expect to get what they wanted by cowardly targeting innocent people? Israel and the Western world are just fed up with all their bullshit.