MrK, are you ok?

[parkerbink]

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Hezbollah is a syria-backed, iran-backed, faction of militant Shi'ite Muslim LEBANESE. Yes they were formed when Israel occupied south lebanon, much the same way most 'terrorist groups' rise from populations that feel oppressed. In spite of the fact that Hizbollah definitely has part of the blame in this current conflict, most sources agree that it wouldn't exist at all today had Israel stayed within its own borders in 1982.

And this is not quoted from a history book.

I truly appreciate the OP's concern about my wellfare, and I kindly request that this thread be locked in the interest of averting any sort of political argument one-upmanship. Inalienable truths: It takes 2 to tango, and war sucks.

I'm sure we all agree that PEACE in the middle east region would be a much better catalyst for int'l business, lower worldwide oil prices, and increased trade and prosperity, so let's hope this madness ends soon.

I hope the peace component of your post goes to G-d's ears and becomes truth. Unfortunately I fear it will not. The problems in the Mid East go as far back as history and most likely predate it.

How religous people can kill in the name of religion is outside my ability to understand.

A friend of my brother is an architect and was in Beirut until a week before the fighting started, he was supposed to return the day before but did not due to the fighting.

I wish the factions at odds would understand there is much more to be gained through cooperation, I doubt that will happen in my lifetime.

[Charlie]

With things like this going on in the world, it amazes me how the general American public can go around taking what great lives we have for granted and turn a blind eye to problems such as this.

Out of curiousity, who is "turning a blind eye"? The US has been working for 15+ years to broker a peace agreement in the mideast. This is a localized conflict between Israel and its terrorist/islamist neighbors.

The arabic nations don't catch on very quickly that you don't fuck with Israel. They didn't learn this in '48, they didn't learn it in the 6 days or Yom Kippur war, they didn't learn it in the Mid 80's, they didn't learn it in 2000, etc. Israel made a number of concessions with the pullout in Gaza, all it did was prove that a policy of appeasement doesn't work. Israel and the UN have asked Lebanon & Syria to take care of their Hezbollah problem for years, they haven't done it. Now Israel is taking care of it themselves. Israel will bulldoze Lebanon, and then move on to Syria.

-Charlie

[bronzit84_318i]

Out of curiousity, who is "turning a blind eye"?

The D-bags much more obsessed with getting wasted, popping thar collars, and banging stupid hoes, while whining about gas prices for their Esclades. (maybe guys he lives with...)

As much as the nation wants to help, there are many people blind to the issues and more concerned with their petty "problems" than being grateful not to live in a world of turmoil and chaos... more than what I'm gonna wear or do they like me?, that is.

[Kip]

Duh..

How religous people can kill in the name of religion is outside my ability to understand.

For a quick and dirty lesson in how to understand this:
http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/02/1813708



The whole thing IS a mess. Both sides are culpable, but:

If the US stopped it's support of Israel, Israel would cease to exist. If the threat of US involvement was gone, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iran, etc would do WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN SAYING THEY WILL DO!!!!

If they keep saying it, why do we question the why's of it?

a scorpion asked a frog to carry him across a body of water. The frog, naturally fearful of the deadly scorpion, declined. So the scorpion tried to reassure him, saying that "it wouldn't be in my interest to harm you while we are crossing the water together, for we will both drown." With that assurance, the frog agreed, only to have the scorpion fatally sting him in the middle of their journey. When asked by the frog why he did that when he knew it would lead to both of them drowning, the scorpion's response was simply "it is my nature."

[chuckybob]

Every terrorist group is affiliated with Palestine. That is the whole reason that they exist, to wipe Israel off the map and take the land for the Arabs. Hezbollah was formed to fight Israel when they occupied southern Lebanon.

1)IRA, ELF
2)most have alterior motives and secondary objectives, or place the destruction of israel low on the list, some dont call for the destruction of israel at all.
3)thats what i thought too, but it turns out hezbollah was formed prior to that as an islamofascist movement and picked up support and their place in lebanese society after israel invaded southern lebanon.

[MattE30]

Out of curiousity, who is "turning a blind eye"? The US has been working for 15+ years to broker a peace agreement in the mideast. This is a localized conflict between Israel and its terrorist/islamist neighbors.

I was refering to the general public, not the government. I remember back when I was very young when Clinton was working on a peace agreement. The average America is not knowledgeable on world affairs, and I really don't think cares too much. But, when 45% (give or take) of people of legal age vote for president, that doesn't come as a suprise.

[parkerbink]

1) I completely agree with Charlie, scary

2) My referance to "religous" killing was rhetorical, I meant it makes no sense to me.

3) My remedial understanding of Islamic Jihad is that it is a twisting of the teachings and message of the Koran to the wants of the extremeists who have an agenda to make Islam the only religion much like the Crusaders attempted to do with Christianity. It was wrong then, it is wrong now.

A person of less than genius intellect once said "can't we all just get along"? he was right.

[Axxe]

Shit is fucked up. If Israel touches Syria, Iran is moving in, and WW3 is going to start. If US stopped their backing of Israel, there would be no problems, however (as we all know) Jews have a huge influence in America.

[Kip]

A person of less than genius intellect once said "can't we all just get along"? he was right.

Was that not after he had his ass beat?
And saw his neighborhood going up in flames?

Kinda makes you think....

As for America's support of the Jews, why don't you just start quoting your dog-eared copy of Protocols?

Iran stated today that no where in Israel is safe. What does that mean? Well, probably EXACTLY what they said. The Israelis know that any skirmish is a potential full scale war, and seem to react to most of them that way. Overwhelming force? Go for it.

PS...Been on the hilltop in Haifa where the broadcasts are coming from. See that bay? That's where the Scuds landed in Gulf War.

[parkerbink]

There was over a year between those events, the riots (which I lived through) came after the policemen were acquitted.

As to protocols I have no clue wtf you are talking about. Do you mean this? :

http://www.protocols.com/

Are you intent on making this thread an argument?

I have no intention of arguing with a person that seems to subscribe to the slanted view that anything is all one way. there are two sides, both are just as wrong for different reasons.

[CleanAzzE30z]

Take a lesson from George Carlin, in religion murder is "negotiable". It all depends on whose doing the murdering and who are the ones getting killed. ;)

Mariano

[Ryan Stewart]

Take a lesson from George Carlin, in religion murder is "negotiable". It all depends on whose doing the murdering and who are the ones getting killed. ;)

Mariano

It depends on WHICH god you believe in.

[parkerbink]

There are Radical Jews that want Israel disbanded because they think the result of the return of the messiah is his creation of Israel, therefore he will not come while Isreal exists. See how zealots think?

[h0lmes]

1)IRA, ELF
2)most have alterior motives and secondary objectives, or place the destruction of israel low on the list, some dont call for the destruction of israel at all.
3)thats what i thought too, but it turns out hezbollah was formed prior to that as an islamofascist movement and picked up support and their place in lebanese society after israel invaded southern lebanon.

1) I am talking about Islamist terrorist groups
2) Uh, destroying Israel and getting their land back is why they exist, why wouldnt it be on the list?
3) That is just simply wrong.

[Kip]

I have no intention of arguing with a person that seems to subscribe to the slanted view that anything is all one way. there are two sides, both are just as wrong for different reasons.

He, no argument here. (I'm too tired) and my subscription to Slanted Views expired....

Protocols? Protocols of the Elders of Zion. A catchy little tale that explains to fucked up people that they are fucked up because of Zionists.

Yeah, people belive wierd shit.

But, hey, some people buy the whole "Islam is a religion of peace" shtick too.

And yeah, any religion can be taken to extremes.