VT Plot Thickens!

[ak96ss]

Good read.

http://www.blackwaterusa.com/btw2004/articles/0726sheep.html

[euroshark]

"If guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns" - I think this is true... or maybe the other possibility is that only the Government will have guns. THAT scares the living shit out of me personally... I'd rather be able to protect my own ass however I see fit!

[JasonC]

And with gun's, remember that the law can't be there at all times to protect you. So you have to protect yourself.

[Jon325i]

For those who think outlawing guns will solve the problem, just take a look at how effective its been for drugs.

Jon

[Jscotty]

his face is all over the news, the internet, papers. it is a tragedy what happened, but why over analyze the facts? why glamorize the man?

2 reasons-

#1. Ratings! Advertisers are paying big bucks to have their commercials run between the news segments following this event. And being that we are hypocritical blood-thirsty americans who love to see tradgedy, we will be glued to the TV for the next few days as more video is released. If that kid videotaped his entire shooting spree and they put it on the internet, the site hosting it will get a million hits a minute! Put it on TV tonight and everyone will be racing to get home to see this video. Its like watching Nascar. Most people won't admit it but people like to see the really bad accidents. Nobody wants to the driver to get hurt or die.. but we love to see the accidents. And if there wasn't an interested audience watching the killer on TV, the news wouldn't show it.

#2. Resolve. Most people who were greatly affected by this want answers. They are not able to go on with life without some sort of resolve. Everyone wants to know why this kid did what he did and they aren't willing to accept, "we don't know yet" as an answer. People typically want to see something or know something no matter how miniscule. People aren't willing to wait until all of the facts are released. Going back to 9-11, they played it OVER and OVER again for 2 days before they started working on the story and getting all of the facts straight. They talked about OJ Simpson for 2 months after the murder even though they were more than a year away from going to trial.

All in all, nobody wants to learn about the victims and the survivors. They want to learn about the killer.

[Jscotty]

"If guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns" - I think this is true... or maybe the other possibility is that only the Government will have guns. THAT scares the living shit out of me personally... I'd rather be able to protect my own ass however I see fit!

I happen to live in a part of the US where guns have been outlawed and your statement is exactly right- Only the criminals are permitted to have guns. Most times when a gun related crime breaks out around here and they catch the guy, he gets nailed for the crime he committed but you seldom hear about the illegal posession of the gun.

[gazellebeigem3]

"If guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns" - I think this is true... or maybe the other possibility is that only the Government will have guns. THAT scares the living shit out of me personally... I'd rather be able to protect my own ass however I see fit!

Look no further than yesterdays paper. DESPITE THE FACT HANDGUNS ARE STRICTLY BANNED IN JAPAN, a leader of a crime syndicate shot the mayor of Nagasaki in the back of the head with (GASP) a handgun, in public!

How can anyone be so naive to think that keeping guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens will result in anything but negative results?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18151200/

[Firestorm]

Look no further than yesterdays paper. DESPITE THE FACT HANDGUNS ARE STRICTLY BANNED IN JAPAN, a leader of a crime syndicate shot the mayor of Nagasaki in the back of the head with (GASP) a handgun, in public!

How can anyone be so naive to think that keeping guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens will result in anything but negative results?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18151200/

You obviously dont know the Yakuza well if that's your arguement. Petty laws like those dont apply to the them.

[gazellebeigem3]

You obviously dont know the Yakuza well if that's your arguement. Petty laws like those dont apply to the them.

My argument has nothing to do with the yakuza. It has to do with a mayor in a country that banned hand guns getting shot by one, rendering the ban ineffective.

[Firestorm]

My argument has nothing to do with the yakuza. It has to do with a mayor in a country that banned hand guns getting shot by one, rendering the ban ineffective.

The ban is obviously effective if normal people arent using them, the Yakuza dont count as normal people.

[Digitalwave]

The ban is obviously effective if normal people arent using them, the Yakuza dont count as normal people.

You are completely missing his point. CRIMANALS AREN'T NORMAL PEOPLE! At least in most cases! That is why he is trying to say that even if you outlawed guns, the bad guys are going to have them anyways!

[rwh11385]

Definitely agree with this point. I think that if a student/professor had been legally able to carry, then I believe that this could have been either avoided or atleast the results wouldn't have been as bad.

hearing about the gunman's accuracy and prowess with a fire arm, anyone who drew against him would just get a hollow point to the dome.

the guy was trained. your solution is to put a gun in all the citizens hands and have them 24/7? even while stressed or drunk, put a lethal weapon in everyone's possession? smoke rocks?

the solution is to improve the wellfare of the world through education and counseling and making people happy through technology. or brainwashing. either one

[mikeltang]

:stupid: (Digitalwave)

[euroshark]

You are completely missing his point. CRIMANALS AREN'T NORMAL PEOPLE! At least in most cases! That is why he is trying to say that even if you outlawed guns, the bad guys are going to have them anyways!

Cha-Ching!!

So what if they are illegal, people will find ways to get what they want. It always happens...

[ed94r]

hearing about the gunman's accuracy and prowess with a fire arm, anyone who drew against him would just get a hollow point to the dome.

the guy was trained. your solution is to put a gun in all the citizens hands and have them 24/7? even while stressed or drunk, put a lethal weapon in everyone's possession? smoke rocks?

the solution is to improve the wellfare of the world through education and counseling and making people happy through technology. or brainwashing. either one

So you are saying that nobody, I mean nobody, could have brought him down? I realize that you have an agenda...but lets be realistic. There are many stories surfacing about survivors seeing him down the halls. If a decent shooter can *see* someone, they can get a shot on him.

Again, the focus is being directed at the guns. What if he made a pipe bomb instead and detonated it in the building, killing 33 people. The two most heinous attacks on innocent civilians in this country used boxcutters and fertilizer. The gun argument is sexy and polarizing, and in a perfect world I 100% agree with you...But,If every gun on this earth disappeared tomorrow, people would find other means to inflict harm on others. We as humans have inflicted harm on each other since the beginning of time. Rocks, arrows, bullets, ICBM's. Nothin's gonna change anytime soon.

You are not right or wrong in your opinions. What you desire is utopic and unrealistic. We can't just give the world a coke.

Ed