Gun Thread

[xAZxE30x]

Ha yeah I know it's a bad question with lots of opinions

I guess I was just looking for an answer similar to the what 9mm should I get for under $500.. 95% will say Glock19 and never worry about anything.

So is there a 1911 that 95% people would agree is the best for that money? I know 1911's have a much more cult following and people each have a gun they think to be the best

No match shooting... It would be a carry gun/ target/ 3 gun shooting for fun, no competitions or anything crazy

[Gasturbine]

Well, for a carry gun, I would consider a 4" "Commander" model. Also, for a carry gun, you can almost guarantee wear, nicks, etc, so I would be reluctant to carry a queen, or even a $1k plus 1911. And if you are involved in a shoot, there is a very good chance you will not get your gun back regardless of the outcome.

While I personally would never carry a 1911, if I were it would be a worked RIA. At $400-500 I wouldnt care (much) about it getting worn, and its not breaking the bank if it "disappears".

[mrsleeve]

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I agree with most of that, but the last part. The constabulary has to return YOUR PROPERTY to you, or other wise compensate for you it, if you were in the right and used your weapon lawfully. If you were involved in a lawful S/D encounter, you will get your property back, if you dont I would be suing anyone and everyone involved to get a 300 dollar Ruger LCP back, out of shear principal and spite.

Springfield Operator

http://www.impactguns.com/Springfiel...397872359.aspx

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Or buy a basic Springfield Mill Spec for about 650 (sometimes around 550) and fill with 500 bucks worth Wilson Combat/Night Hawk parts and have GOOD 1911 smith put all together and work it over for ya. you will have a gun that will feel and run like a 2500+ custom 1911, for about 1300-1500 bucks. The parts and smith work you can do latter down the line.

All that said Some day I will have a Night Hawk Talon or Costa Compact, they just cost as much or more as my LMT+ Glass+Rings/bases+sling.....................

[quickervicar]

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I agree with most of that, but the last part. The constabulary has to return YOUR PROPERTY to you, or other wise compensate for you it, if you were in the right and used your weapon lawfully. If you were involved in a lawful S/D encounter, you will get your property back, if you dont I would be suing anyone and everyone involved to get a 300 dollar Ruger LCP back, out of shear principal and spite.

I'm with you. But why does principle end up costing us so much?

[Gasturbine]

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I agree with most of that, but the last part. The constabulary has to return YOUR PROPERTY to you, or other wise compensate for you it, if you were in the right and used your weapon lawfully.

Oh I know what the law is, but you would be surprised how often a gun is not returned after it is entered into evidence. It happened to a friend of mine. His gun was "confiscated" in a routine traffic stop, because his carry permit had expired. And yes, the officer assured him he would get it back.

After months of chasing his tail and other BS, the department finally said the gun was lost...most likely taken (stolen) from the evidence room. He sued the department, and after 6 months of delays and red tape (courtesy of the department), he finally won a judgement, but even then it wasnt over...the department said it simply didnt recognize the judgment, and refused to pay. It took another 4 months to get a judge to order the department to pay.

So in a nutshell, it took him over a year, $300 in legal fees, and the hassle of missing work for court appearances and depositions, to get back a $450 for his Glock.

There are MANY other stories like this out there.

Just because there is a law about something, dont think for a second they will cooperate/agree on the matter, its just rarely happens that easily.

[golde30]

What's MIM mean?

For 1911, anything but SIG, their 1911 are horrible. Brand new out of the box the fit of the slide to frame is super loose, you can rattle it by shaking the gun. Crap.

[mrsleeve]

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Not in my experience they are not crap, Sigs are one of the finest weapons makers out of the box there is. I Carry a Sig nearly daily................


Turbine: I know we have all heard the stories, and know thats how the game is played in many places, (especial in gun hating and gun tolerating states, like OH is a toleration state). Where I live though its just assumed everyone is armed, and the Constabulary are very accommodating of that fact, and our sheriff is very pro 2a and private property rights, you will get your shit back. One of the reasons I moved out here.


Quick: because for too long and far too many people just let it go........ The police and various other branches of govt know its a numbers game to 99% of the people, and they will just let it go an buy a new because its cheaper, this goes with all things form traffic violations to township code enforcement. Not may many people are willing to put their pocketbook where their mouth and principals are when push comes to shove they just knuckle under . I understand that fact some times there just is not the funds to stand up with over something "so minor" but with every time its gotten away with is one step closer to the edge again.....

[Vedubin01]

What's MIM mean?

Metal Injection Molding

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Or buy a basic Springfield Mill Spec for about 650 (sometimes around 550) and fill with 500 bucks worth Wilson Combat/Night Hawk parts and have GOOD 1911 smith put all together and work it over for ya.

As a carry gun I would not go this route. When you start adding aftermarket parts, you run more of a risk of failure. You also run the risk of some defense attorney painting you out to be some crazed gun nut with more evil features. Just not worth it to me.

For a carry gun that Springfield Operator is hard to beat for a full size 1911. Id put it up against all the custom 1911 smiths. It will out shoot everyone on this board including myself.

[myinfernalbmw]

I would echo the sentiments toward the Springfield line of 1911's. I like them, I just didn't want a 1911 made in Brazil simply for superficial reasons. I went with a Colt Commander and while I love the gun, I'll admit that there are better values to be had. The Colt tax bites, but I wanted my 1911 to be built in Murica!

Honestly I've had issues with every brand of 1911 I've shot. I shot Springfields, Colts, Kimbers, and a Nighthawk GRP that all had FTE/FTF issues. I think that as long as you find the gun you like and accept that it may have some quirks, you'll be happy with whatever 1911 you buy. I've only had 2-3 FTF issues with mine in 1000 rounds. To some people, that is completely unacceptable. I just look at it like its part of the territory with 1911s. Practice with whatever you buy and make sure its reliability is up to your expectations, then practice failure manipulation drills so you can efficiently resolve any problems that may arise.

[mrsleeve]

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I kinda figure all that is a given when it comes to carry guns, but it still needs to reiterated from time to time even among those of us that are little more seasoned with this kinda thing ;) .

As a carry gun I would not go this route. When you start adding aftermarket parts, you run more of a risk of failure. You also run the risk of some defense attorney painting you out to be some crazed gun nut with more evil features. Just not worth it to me.

For a carry gun that Springfield Operator is hard to beat for a full size 1911. Id put it up against all the custom 1911 smiths. It will out shoot everyone on this board including myself.

Oh I must have missed the carry part of the question. I was talking about for a fun gun not a personal defense weapon. If its for carry then defiantly for sure no custom touches other than maybe grips, because I am in total agreement on with you on a modded gun for carry if you ever needed to use it.

Me personally I would not be carrying a 1911, I just dont like condition 1, and have been on record as saying that for a long while now. As most of you know I carry a Sig 220 for my 45acp carry gun.

[xAZxE30x]

Good information guys!

I do not think it would ever be my main carry. I would need to be comfortable shooting it first and be confident in myself with it, and get used to carrying cocked and locked. I sometimes carry my USP and am still getting the hang of it being ready to go. I carry currently a Glock 23 every day and it is the most comfortable day to day gun I like to carry so would probably stick to that most the time

It just seems like a tough decision because I can find bad reviews on almost every 1911 out there and makes me nervous! but I guess you cannot really know until its in my hand at the range!

[golde30]

I would love to own a sig p220 combat in FDE. However I have handled multiple sig 1911 and they feel like crap. That's my opinion, I shoot a kimber and a lot of ppl think they are crap. I really like the higher end Springfield 1911. I would take a TRP full rail over any of the high end custom 1911 lines, again just my opinion.

[e30s52]

I would love to own a sig p220 combat in FDE. However I have handled multiple sig 1911 and they feel like crap. That's my opinion, I shoot a kimber and a lot of ppl think they are crap. I really like the higher end Springfield 1911. I would take a TRP full rail over any of the high end custom 1911 lines, again just my opinion.

I had a p220 combat with a TB and it was alright nothing really made me wow about the gun. But that being said I now don't have any more sigs and just have H&K's and just got my first 1911 last week. Bought a R1 enhanced. Still haven't shot it yet :(

[Gasturbine]

I would take a TRP full rail over any of the high end custom 1911 lines, again just my opinion.

Than an Ed Brown, Les Baer, or Nighthawk??

If you say so...

[myinfernalbmw]

It just seems like a tough decision because I can find bad reviews on almost every 1911 out there and makes me nervous! but I guess you cannot really know until its in my hand at the range!

I think that is the point that I should have tried to convey better in my post. You'll find that there are haters of every brand out there, including the high end guns. I've seen guys argue about how they switched out all of their Nighthawks for Wilson Combats and vice versa. That's why I was saying that you should find the one you like the most because there will always be someone saying that your choice is shit. You might get one that has a few issues now and then, but as long as it isn't a lemon(and they ALL make one now and then) you should be happy with whatever you pick.

The nice thing is that even if you do get a lemon, most of the manufacturers have decent customer service. Kimber and Sig are the only two that I hear repeated horror stories about rude/shitty CS experiences. I can only attest to Sig Sauer having cock knockers in CS.