If there was a draft would you go?

[german g]

There should have been an option for, this war, or a legitimate war..I voted for rob, and I'm too old to be drafted...

[atomic]

So they willingly give you a rifle that doesn't fit you. That's interesting. Well to be fair I have never heard of them asking you what fits you well. After all, wouldn't you shoot better with a rifle that fits you well and you are comfortable with? I'm not into tanks, but they're very useful, so I'd probably get shoved into infantry.

HK 33e rifles are chambered for .223 Rem. I like submachine guns, notably the MP5, it does look a bit ugly sometimes but it is a nice firearm. It fits me pretty well, I like the paddle mag release a gazillion times better than the AR mag release which is too far up and to hard to depress, the AR sights are too high and the stock isn't formed the same way as the HKs are. I could probably settle for a suppressed MP5SD with a full stock and work night deals.

I'll probably make a big heat about having a pistol too. And I ain't taking no M9, thank you. Probably one reason contractors are ... cooler (to an extent ) is because of weapon flexibility. Gotta try those sigs...:p:p



YEAH!!! slick pistols.



I'll agree to an extent, but let's just cut it this way: "A pistol is a weapon you use to fight your way back to your rifle." -Jeff Cooper



Well, cool. M1 tanks are tight.

Still, I believe I would have a hard time fitting the AR. Just doesn't fit me, I like to the looks of it, but it's just not my slice of pie. A one-size-supposedly-fits-all rifle just doesn't work on me.

Unbelievable !!! Do you want Louis Vuitton bags to carry your gear in too ??? If you join the military you get the standard issue period. You make it work and get over it. The AR/M16 is a proven very reliable rifle that I would have no problem using. If it doesnt fit you then change it since it has to be the most versatile gun in the world.

[Turf1600]

There should have been an option for, this war, or a legitimate war..I voted for rob, and I'm too old to be drafted...

Whats the draft cut off age? I would not go for sure. War is generally retarded. However, if we were being invaded or if there was a just cause (ie WWII) sure. I voted no though.

[german g]

Whats the draft cut off age? I would not go for sure. War is generally retarded. However, if we were being invaded or if there was a just cause (ie WWII) sure. I voted no though.

i'm not sure, but Im 30, and I think (not sure) its younger than that.

[atomic]

i'm not sure, but Im 30, and I think (not sure) its younger than that.

currently it is the age of 25 but they are proposing it to be raised to 34

[AndrewBird]

If we went to war against another country that attacked us, then I would be all for it. Otherwise, hell no. Hurray for being in school.

[marakka]

Enlistment age was just upped to 42 I do believe. I imagine if there were a draft they would easily up the draft age by quite a few years.

The m16/m4 is such an easy to use weapon that even if it doesn't "fit" you, you can adapt. You join to be a soldier and learn a skill from there. If your skill is firing another weapon then you have nothing to worry about. If your skill is to be a photographer then you'll be stuck with your m16 your whole career. Its just how it is. If you were a tanker and on an m1 youd' most likely have an m9. Some of our scouts run around with shotguns if thats more your style. Personally I hate weapons qual and try to get out of it if I can. I'm no good at it. Normally I'll hit in the low 30's of 40 targets. Its loud, dirty and time consuming. Now..... when its time to go fire off the Brads... i'm all about that. I fired a TOW missle about a year ago..... Nothing beats the feeling of reaching out and touching someone from 3500m away.

[Rigmaster]

PLEASE, for the love of God, lock this thread.


It makes my blood pressure go up just reading what the "intelligent" posters have to say about this topic.



Please God, make it stop!!!!!111111111





IBTL (hopefully.)

[Ablice]

Unbelievable !!! Do you want Louis Vuitton bags to carry your gear in too ??? If you join the military you get the standard issue period. You make it work and get over it. The AR/M16 is a proven very reliable rifle that I would have no problem using. If it doesnt fit you then change it since it has to be the most versatile gun in the world.

We could use those bags, but I'm not a redneck geardo, thank you. If the AR15/M16/M4 doesn't work for me, nothing on earth can change that. Changing the sights down to low-profile ones could help but I don't think they're up for that. If the gun works for you, cool — fabulous for you. Unfortuantely it doesn't for me, kinda sad but that's reality. Just don't come crying calling me a waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles when I don't enlist.

I held a Tommy gun replica. That was in my hands and out in 20 seconds. Haven't laid hands on the other WW2 guns yet though. Basically, the Army would be fitting a round peg in my square hole, and it don't fit. I did hold the HK 33e, that was a nice assault rifle. I liked it. Put a ACOG on there and we're in buisness.

The m16/m4 is such an easy to use weapon that even if it doesn't "fit" you, you can adapt. You join to be a soldier and learn a skill from there. If your skill is firing another weapon then you have nothing to worry about. If your skill is to be a photographer then you'll be stuck with your m16 your whole career. Its just how it is. If you were a tanker and on an m1 youd' most likely have an m9. Some of our scouts run around with shotguns if thats more your style. Personally I hate weapons qual and try to get out of it if I can. I'm no good at it. Normally I'll hit in the low 30's of 40 targets. Its loud, dirty and time consuming. Now..... when its time to go fire off the Brads... i'm all about that. I fired a TOW missle about a year ago..... Nothing beats the feeling of reaching out and touching someone from 3500m away.

The AR series has a long way to go before it fits me. Sorry. Sights are too tall, mag release is too far out and just a wrong design, I don't get a consistent cheekweld with it (versus the HKs) and the collapsable stock is depressing. I don't know how they'd handle me if I was drafted, there'd be plenty of heated chatter going on. It's like if the US Army gave you a SUV to use in a rally race where everyone else is cooking STis, Lancers, Audi Quattros, etc.

The M9 is too fat to fit in my hand. How am I supposed to change that? The grip angle of Glocks is uncomfortable for me. What am I to do about that? Strangely enough the Mk.23 (nice pistol) with it's double-stack .45 doesn't present much a of a problem for me. Huh.

PLEASE, for the love of God, lock this thread.

It makes my blood pressure go up just reading what the "intelligent" posters have to say about this topic.

All in the rising testosterone and ego.

You could press the red X in your browser, nobody has to read this thread if they don't want to.

[ldsbeaker]

The M9 is too fat for your hand, and the M16 doesn't "fit" you.

That is the biggest load of bullshit I have EVER heard.

You: "um, Drill Instructor, Sir, can this recruit have a different size rifle? This one doesn't fit me..."
DI: "STFU before you have a "different size" up your ass!!"

p.s. ANYONE can use those weapons. In fact, I'm large (6'4" 225ish), and I recently competed against a female in my shop (5'6" 130ish?, small hands) for pistol scores. I think I'm pretty hot shit with a 377/400 for qualification (40 shots from 7,15, and 25 yds), and what does she do? Beats me by 5 points. 382!! Sounds like either way, it's technique that will kill the enemy.

There are Marines from 4'11" to 6'10" using these weapons EVERY DAY, and I'm sure that there's a nice spread of experts on both weapons throughout that Marine size range.

[marakka]

Sounds like yer too small to use the AR series weapons. In that case you'd probably end up with an M240 or M249 :D If you were a tanker you'd have a shotgun.

And at this point I'd hardly call an AK the weapons equivalent of an STi, Evo or any of the above. :D

[Ablice]

The M9 is too fat for your hand, and the M16 doesn't "fit" you.

That is the biggest load of bullshit I have EVER heard.

You: "um, Drill Instructor, Sir, can this recruit have a different size rifle? This one doesn't fit me..."
DI: "STFU before you have a "different size" up your ass!!"

It's true. Else I wouldn't be saying it. I don't shovel out BS unless I'm joking.

People need to wake up. There's a reason there's so many types of guns out. Not everybody likes the 1911 single stack because some find the grip to slim and hard to hold. I find it just about perfect. I find the Glocks have the wrong grip angle, to rectangular of a grip and the finger grooves are in the wrong place. It also doesn't point naturally for me.

What am I supposed to do about that? I can't "reasonably" change my hand profile. The M9 is FAT. I would have bought a airsoft KSC M93R2 already if the M9 fit me like a glove, instead of buying a (later turns out to be a POS) KJW 1911a1 single stack. And I bought a Airsoft Elite MP5A4 v3.5 instead of a CA or ICS M4...why? because the MP5 fits me better. I don't like the navy-style fire selector biting into my hand when it's on full auto, but other than that there are no complaints from the profile of the gun.

They'll get my weapon complaints (I don't know how it works if you get drafted) the moment I get off the bus. Nobody is shoving me a M16 when it doesn't fit me. If it fits you, and all the controls and sights are in the right place, great. I wish I fit a mainstream rifle like the AR series, but I don't.

p.s. ANYONE can use those weapons. In fact, I'm large (6'4" 225ish), and I recently competed against a female in my shop (5'6" 130ish?, small hands) for pistol scores. I think I'm pretty hot shit with a 377/400 for qualification (40 shots from 7,15, and 25 yds), and what does she do? Beats me by 5 points. 382!! Sounds like either way, it's technique that will kill the enemy.

There are Marines from 4'11" to 6'10" using these weapons EVERY DAY, and I'm sure that there's a nice spread of experts on both weapons throughout that Marine size range.

Anyone could use them but it'd doesn't mean they like them. I'll bet that at least one Marine doesn't like his rifle because it doesn't fit him.

There's more than technique that takes the enemy. Assuming you're going up against an equal enemy, as well armed and practiced as you are, there's more than just technique and *pow* the enemy is no more. There's timing, there's teamwork, there's a good plan (and plan B too), and good skill.



Seriously, how about we give you all a Ford Pinto as your standard issue car, the People's car. Then you all will whine that you don't like this or that on the car and you'd rather have an E30 instead. Well, that's exactly my point. Not everyone fits the same car, nor does everyone fit the same rifle. Get off your high horses already...seesch, just because you fit the AR and M9 combination well doesn't mean I will. That's why I don't own one!

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Sounds like yer too small to use the AR series weapons. In that case you'd probably end up with an M240 or M249 If you were a tanker you'd have a shotgun.

And at this point I'd hardly call an AK the weapons equivalent of an STi, Evo or any of the above.

Nope. Actually the M4 would be my rifle if things were more HK-ish. No I don't want the 416 thank you.

Shotguns? Fun guns but not my thing. I'd rather have submachine gun instead.

AKs? Haven't held one yet. I don't know what all the AK bashing is going around these days though. AKs are designed for different purposes than the AR is. And the AK was NOT based on the StG44.

[atomic]

They'll get my weapon complaints (I don't know how it works if you get drafted) the moment I get off the bus. Nobody is shoving me a M16 when it doesn't fit me. If it fits you, and all the controls and sights are in the right place, great. I wish I fit a mainstream rifle like the AR series, but I don't.

how about doing us all a favor and do not enlist or let the draft get you if it ever happened. Mainly because we do not need someone pitching a fit over their gun not fitting them. If you are thrust into war we need to know that for those that are protecting this nation are not getting pissy and throwing their rifles and pistols down because they do not fit the gun and would rather have a MP5 (which is worthless except in close quarters) or a overpriced pistol that is not needed in combat. And if you do not fit for a AR then its safe to say you want be shooting a Barret .50bmg rifle either ???? GOOD

[Ablice]

how about doing us all a favor and do not enlist or let the draft get you if it ever happened. Mainly because we do not need someone pitching a fit over their gun not fitting them. If you are thrust into war we need to know that for those that are protecting this nation are not getting pissy and throwing their rifles and pistols down because they do not fit the gun and would rather have a MP5 (which is worthless except in close quarters) or a overpriced pistol that is not needed in combat. And if you do not fit for a AR then its safe to say you want be shooting a Barret .50bmg rifle either ???? GOOD

I'm not the one calling someone up and then giving them a rifle that doesn't fit them! If they had a range (say 5) that you could choose from and one of those selections was one that fit me, then I would never complain. But they don't do that, aside from elite units, so what should they expect?

How would you like it if you got drafted, ummm...let's just say you don't fit the M14. You shoot it a bit, and find the recoil too harsh and among other things. You prefer a pistol grip to a standard rifle stock-type grip. And then you get told to "man up" and adapt to it?

I could be thrust into war. As long as everything fits together. Would you want to enter a drag race against Subaru STi models, Lancers, Porsche 911 AWD models, etc with a Geo Metro? They're basically giving me the Metro, and expecting me to compete with the above mentioned cars.

The MP5? It's a great subgun. "useless except for close quarters" What do you expect? it's a subgun. All subguns are that way, they're not the same class as assault rifles and main battle rifles, such as the G3 and SIG 550. That's what they were designed for, a short barreled firearm of pistol chambering capable of fully automatic fire. Very different class than assault rifles. Subguns are great guns, they make great car guns (compact size), great for cladestine operations (suppression), great for high manuverability units that depend on great speed and mobility. Assualt rifles are good firearms too, they're good "average of everything" guns. Subguns aren't that.

"overpriced pistol that is not needed in combat" Who are you to decide that? How would you like it if you get caught in a building and became isolated from the rest of your unit and your trusty AR15 fails? You'd better have something, and a pistol is something. There's a reason pistols are still around. "well i won't get isolated from my unit" Armchair kommando B.S. Read up the 101 Airbourne that was isolated hostile territory for over a month. You'll probably want a pistol then, too. "my buddies will cover me if my gun goes down" Will they? And what if they are not there? Don't get me wrong, fireteam buddies can build some seriously strong relationships, but you can prepare for the unknown — like you are caught reloading while you are covering your flank and a Charlie zips out of cover. A pistol could save your life.

Ever read the story back in the hedgerows of Europe? A German and a US soldier both spotted each other at the same time, kneeled at the same time, fired at the same time...

The Barret .50cal? I wouldn't know, I've never fired, held or even seen one in real life. Kalifornia FTW.

[atomic]

How would you like it if you got drafted, ummm...let's just say you don't fit the M14. You shoot it a bit, and find the recoil too harsh and among other things. You prefer a pistol grip to a standard rifle stock-type grip. And then you get told to "man up" and adapt to it?

All I can say to that is grow a dick ---- I believe this is a " Blunt Quote " ???

The MP5? It's a great subgun. "useless except for close quarters" What do you expect? it's a subgun. All subguns are that way, they're not the same class as assault rifles and main battle rifles, such as the G3 and SIG 550. That's what they were designed for, a short barreled firearm of pistol chambering capable of fully automatic fire. Very different class than assault rifles. Subguns are great guns, they make great car guns (compact size), great for cladestine operations (suppression), great for high manuverability units that depend on great speed and mobility. Assualt rifles are good firearms too, they're good "average of everything" guns. Subguns aren't that.

Agreed but when are you going to need a subgun in a war ????

"overpriced pistol that is not needed in combat" Who are you to decide that? How would you like it if you get caught in a building and became isolated from the rest of your unit and your trusty AR15 fails? You'd better have something, and a pistol is something. There's a reason pistols are still around. "well i won't get isolated from my unit" Armchair kommando B.S. Read up the 101 Airbourne that was isolated hostile territory for over a month. You'll probably want a pistol then, too. "my buddies will cover me if my gun goes down" Will they? And what if they are not there? Don't get me wrong, fireteam buddies can build some seriously strong relationships, but you can prepare for the unknown — like you are caught reloading while you are covering your flank and a Charlie zips out of cover. A pistol could save your life.

I never said I didnt want a pistol but having a $1000 sig is a waste when the M9 WILL DO THE SAME JOB !!!

The Barret .50cal? I wouldn't know, I've never fired, held or even seen one in real life. Kalifornia FTW.

THANK GOD !! Because it is a bigger rifle than you are a man !!!!