obama the hypocrite

[uofom3]

I feel that she is totally qualified for the job

ho-lee-shit

[uofom3]

Says the guy with the Rush Limbaugh avatar, aka the biggest blowhard hypocrite out there.

Locke, Voltaire, Kant, Paine, Jefferson, Keyens, Friedman.......bunch of headcases.

Free speech, free thought, a transparent government with limited powers, equal rights, freedom from economic and physical coercion.....clearly the ramblings of mad men, right guys?

Right?

You just made a case for conservatism.... not socialism that the democratic party is trying to put into action in this country.

[myinfernalbmw]

Shit i shouldn't have asked.

[uofom3]

Well, the PRIMARY (aka majority) religion in this country is Christianity, so...

At least McCains "spritual advisor" isn't a racist, america-hating, segregator.

Don't get me wrong... I don't think McCain is going to be a great president, but beyond a doubt, he will do the least damage of the three.

I mean, really... Come on democrats, get it together. Focus on your party and put your best foot forward. Your INABILITY to work with others really shows your thirst for power and dictatorship.

I really don't love McCain either, he might even be as greasy as the dems in this election - but he without even a minor question is FAR and away the best alternative this country has in this election.

How about Obama's statement "Typical white person". I don't worry about this election any more - he's taking care of it for me and making my life much easier. Cheers to him.

[Maluco]

Hai Guis Im Using Teh Internets

[Funkmasta]

How about Obama's statement "Typical white person". I don't worry about this election any more - he's taking care of it for me and making my life much easier. Cheers to him.

Yeah, I got a chuckle out of that one.
I heard a guy on the radio today, call in, and try to explain how it was impossible for a black person to be a racist. WTF?

Mike Malloy is already blaming Obama's loss being due to the Racism in America. That guy is funny to listen to...

[Old'n'Slow]

So what you are saying is that Saddam Hussein was better for Iraq than what is there now? By saying that, you are also saying that Saddam Hussein type leaders would be better for America than the democracy that so many of us have willingly pledged our lives to.

I never said that. I was responding to the suggestion that we were there to help the Iraqis deal with their extremists and was only pointing out that Saddam was already effectively doing just that. Besides, they did not ask to be democratized! And we've done a truly pathetic job over there. The Great And Marvelous Armed Forces of the Greatest Country on Earth has not, in 5 years, been able to secure an area the size of Texas? And all that with a Republican controlled House and Senate?

And puhleeeeze don't give me that BS about how we are selflessly "spreading democracy" throughout the world. We turn a blind eye toward the sufferings of the millions in Africa under dictators that make Saddam look like a waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswafflescat.

I am not going to bother trying to refute your "official" figures. I can come up with statistics that say whatever I want about just about anything.
If you think the war in Iraq is wrong, then fine. State your position. But don't go regurgitating what you have "heard" without really checking it out. Radical blogs are not a good source.

I wouldn't exactly call the General Accounting Office of the United States of America a "radical blog".....

I am saddened when I see people who have swallowed the liberal media koolaid so deeply that they can only see shades of green envy. I really hope that someday you come to obtain some wisdom and realize that the world is so much more of a complicated and scary place than you ever thought it could possibly be. Things aren't so simple as your college professor and morning show host have made them out to be.

Funny. You have no idea who I am or what my experiences have been. Only assumptions.

The thing that saddens me about Obama is that he is simply a smooth speaking version of his "former" pastor. Sugar coated hate is just as awful as unvarnished hate. It really bothers me that these people hate America.

Uninformed. You have obviously not done your research.

The constitution only provides you with the right to pursue happiness. It does not provide you with the right to happiness. There is so much meaning in that word "pursue" because it is not only deeply personal and unique to all of us, but it is also a mandate for us to achieve.

The Constitution has been virtually abandoned by this government, or haven't you noticed?

My happiness should not come at the expense of another. In other words, we live by the rule of law as a society. We cannot allow thieves, murderers, rapists, and evil to stand unchallenged.

Gosh, that's awfully Socialist of you! Capitalism rewards those whose happiness has come from the cheap sweat and blood of the many who work for the few.

However, it also doesn't mean that since I have decided to not be happy, that I can point at somebody who is happy and demand justice and that I be allowed to partake of that happiness because we are all created equal. That is the worst twisting of the meaning of equality that I can think of. That isn't equality, that is envy.

Or a sense of justice, if the playing field is woefully lopsided.

The liberals dream of a world where all are treated equally, like sheep in the field, so that we can be told what to think and so that we can all shuffle along in our lives fat, dumb, and ostensibly happy, while the smart, deep thinkers like Hillary, act as our surrogate mommy because lord knows, we are not smart enough to think for ourselves.

Methinks your brand of Kool-Aid has been laced with tetrahydrocannabinol, given your apparent level of paranoia....

The dream of America is dying at the hands of all those who wish to be given their due instead of earning it. Somebody once said that democracy was doomed to failure as soon as the voting public figured out that they could vote themselves money. That is exactly what the Democrats are offering us all.

You prefer the budding fascist state we are now headed toward? Look up the definition and tell us what you see..... we ceased being a democracy when lobbyists and PACs starting setting legislative agenda according to their needs, and the well-kept politicians began ignoring their constituencies in favor of courting corporate dollars.

There are many things in the past that were done that were evil. We should never forget lest we make the same mistakes.

Then why do you seem so opposed to ending the evil things we are now engaged in? There are plenty to go around.....

The slaves were not the only persecuted people in the world. Persecution has happened throughout history. Those scars are slow to heal. But by picking at them over and over again, like Obama's pastor and people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, all you do is foster hate. You foster a sense of disenfranchisement. You make people hate their country and their neighbors. You force divisiveness in people. If you don't mix into the great mixing pot of America you are doomed to forever be an outsider in a place that accepts everybody. As far as I am concerned, if you don't desire to be a part of America, if you are so filled with hate because of the mistakes of people from hundreds of years ago, then you should leave. We don't need you.

Like David Duke and Strom Thurmond didn't "pick sores"? They just picked different colored sores....

There will always be loudmouths who use fear and hysteria to gain their agendas. Just like GB's "You are either for us or against us" vitriol. Patriotic dissent born of a love of your country? Fuhgeddaboutit!

[Old'n'Slow]

You just made a case for conservatism.... not socialism that the democratic party is trying to put into action in this country.

Please define conservatism as you see it.

Please define socialism as you see it.

Not being combative-I just want to know what set of values the much bandied term of conservatism entails.

Thanks.

[Pinepig]

A brief for Whitey
Patrick J. Buchanon
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Posted: March 21, 2008
1:00 am Eastern

© 2008

How would he pull it off? I wondered.

How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?

How would he justify not walking out as Wright spewed his venom about "the U.S. of KKK America," and howled, "God damn America!"

My hunch was right. Barack would turn the tables.

Yes, Barack agreed, Wright's statements were "controversial," and "divisive," and "racially charged," reflecting a "distorted view of America."

But we must understand the man in full and the black experience out of which the Rev. Wright came: 350 years of slavery and segregation.

Barack then listed black grievances and informed us what white America must do to close the racial divide and heal the country.

The "white community," said Barack, must start "acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination – and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past – are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds. ..."

And what deeds must we perform to heal ourselves and our country?

The "white community" must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with "ladders of opportunity" that were "unavailable" to Barack's and the Rev. Wright's generations.

What is wrong with Barack's prognosis and Barack's cure?

Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, "everybody but the rioters themselves."

Was "white racism" really responsible for those black men looting auto dealerships and liquor stories, and burning down their own communities, as Otto Kerner said – that liberal icon until the feds put him away for bribery.

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.

Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.

This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks – with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas – to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?
Barack talks about new "ladders of opportunity" for blacks.

Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for "deserving" white kids.

Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.

[uofom3]

He set back race relations in this country 40 years. I'm currently watching his speach on TV in my hometown of Eugene, Oregon. This guy has no fucking idea what he is talking about. He needs to take a class on economics and fiscal policy. The people who are cheering him on are so rediculously ignorant it's retarded.

"We want to protect the salmon and the streams" is what Obama just said.

Then - he also discusses alternative "sustainable energy"

Hey Obama - guess what the fuck is up? Oregon has a SHIT LOAD OF WATER. yeah, and it flows down through streams and rivers shit, you know, with gravity- and guess what? We can harness that energy to generate hydro-electric power! Oh wait, but we can't.... because you're talking about saving salmon but we can't do that because the alternative energy might KILL salmon in the turbines that create the power that is SUSTAINABLE and ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY!

this guy has contradictions running so deep he couldn't possibly conceive of finding a way out of the hole he digs every time he speaks.

[andrewintraining]

Down With The Usa!!!!!!

[Hallen]

I was responding to the suggestion that we were there to help the Iraqis deal with their extremists and was only pointing out that Saddam was already effectively doing just that.

Nobody in authority has ever said, that I have seen anywhere, that we were there to "help the Iraqis deal with their extremists". We were there to deal with a corrupt leader and government who was aiding and abetting our enemies. Plus, he was just an all around evil person.

I am not naive. I know that there are other American interest at risk in places like Iraq. Yes, it does come down to oil and money too. The point you seem to not understand is that we went there to protect our interests and to protect ourselves from more brutal attacks. We didn't throw the first punch here, and a sucker punch at that.

It is interesting how a few words twisted around can change the whole picture, isn't it?

Besides, they did not ask to be democratized! And we've done a truly pathetic job over there.

You're right, they didn't... for the most part. Well, except for those who escaped Iraq after Saddam took over. They were screaming for help. But never mind them, they aren't important.

The Great And Marvelous Armed Forces of the Greatest Country on Earth has not, in 5 years, been able to secure an area the size of Texas? And all that with a Republican controlled House and Senate?

OK, now that went too far. Never, ever doubt the abilities or perseverance of our military. Sure, it has plenty of inefficiency, problems and unpleasantness, but when bullets start flying, there is nobody, and I really mean nobody, who could possibly do the job better.

If you really want them to clean the place out in a few weeks like you seem to think is possible, remove their handcuffs. Sure, a few Iraqi innocents will get killed, but probably fewer than have died now from the terrorists radicals. We could sweep through that country arresting and killing and as the old saying goes, "Let God sort them out later". But, that is not our way.

You can't have it both ways by the way. We can't completely control Iraq without becoming what we are there to remove, but by being honorable, we also make it much more difficult to do the job.

The kind of ignorance you are showing on this subject is really saddening and honestly, sickening. I hope that all those who served to give you the ability to be so damned self richeous ever have to hear that kind of filth spoken.

And puhleeeeze don't give me that BS about how we are selflessly "spreading democracy" throughout the world. We turn a blind eye toward the sufferings of the millions in Africa under dictators that make Saddam look like a waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswafflescat.

So are you saying we should send our troops to Africa and clean it out?

There are worse people out there than Saddam. But letting one great evil stand because there is a risk that a greater evil will rise up is no way to live.

I wouldn't exactly call the General Accounting Office of the United States of America a "radical blog".....

Hmmm, interesting. I couldn't find casualty numbers there seeing as it is a huge site with thousands of reports... all of which seem to be about efficiency and money... which is what the GAO is responsible for. Maybe I missed it.

Funny. You have no idea who I am or what my experiences have been. Only assumptions.

No, I don't. I can only go by what you write here and make assumptions based on that small amount of knowledge. I am not trying to make an enemy here.

Uninformed. You have obviously not done your research.
The Constitution has been virtually abandoned by this government, or haven't you noticed?

LOL, funny. Maybe your interpretation of the constitution is under attack, but the Constitution has not been abandoned. You are just searching for ways to justify a skewed view of the world.

Gosh, that's awfully Socialist of you! Capitalism rewards those whose happiness has come from the cheap sweat and blood of the many who work for the few.

And how very communist of you. I am not about taking anything away from anybody who has worked for it. I am against taking things away from those who HAVE worked for it and giving it to somebody who has not. Don't forget, I am one of those who work. I have worked multiple jobs at once to get my family ahead. I have served my Country and State for 20 years, don't tell me about sweat.

Or a sense of justice, if the playing field is woefully lopsided.

Another assumption that is based on the skewed view of the media. What, exactly, is lopsided my friend? What opportunity did I have that others do not? It is the assumption that if somebody is born into poverty that they must too remain in poverty? Those who are willing to make something of themselves always do. It is the culture that traps people, not the "unlevel playing field". It perpetuates itself and until individuals decide to break the cycle, there is nothing that can be done about it.

Methinks your brand of Kool-Aid has been laced with tetrahydrocannabinol, given your apparent level of paranoia....

Methinks you are projecting. :D

You prefer the budding fascist state we are now headed toward? Look up the definition and tell us what you see..... we ceased being a democracy when lobbyists and PACs starting setting legislative agenda according to their needs, and the well-kept politicians began ignoring their constituencies in favor of courting corporate dollars.

Now it is my turn. Oh, pllleeeaase. Fascist state? Get a grip. When George Bush's 8 years are done, he will step down. If Obama or Clinton wins, there will be an orderly transfer of power. The agenda of the far left will start to move ahead.
But don't confuse patriotism and love of country with Fascism. I too find much at fault with our government. I too think that there are many things in this country that need fixing. That does not change the fact that this is MY country. My forefather built this place. The thing that will destroy it is creeping anarchism and entitlement mentality, not patriotism.

And don't start on the whole corporate thing. Jeesh, don't liberals get it? 90% of the working people in America work for corporations. We, yes we, are the corporations. Again, there is a lot wrong there and there are many practices that are just plain stupid, but that doesn't change the fact that by calling the corporations evil, you are calling yourself evil. Sure, tax them more because they are evil and greedy. If you want to go back to a completely agrarian, totally organic lifestyle, then keep it up.

Then why do you seem so opposed to ending the evil things we are now engaged in? There are plenty to go around.....

What evil things? Seriously, what? I don't think you understand what is evil.

Like David Duke and Strom Thurmond didn't "pick sores"? They just picked different colored sores....

I can't and won't defend bigots, no matter what color they come in. Whatever stance those people may have taken, it does not change the fact one bit that Obama's reverend is a bigot and the same is true of Jackson and Sharpton. Furthermore, it is people like Sharpton and Jackson who have done more harm to the black community over the last 20 years than anything stupid that Strom Thrumond may have said. Not because those two radicals make whites angry. No, it is because they have told their people again and again that they need help. That they don't have a fair shake at life. You tell that to people often enough, they will beleive it and become it. Very sad indeed.

There will always be loudmouths who use fear and hysteria to gain their agendas.

Yes. Exactly. Don't you see that is exactly what so many liberals do, especially the media?

Just like GB's "You are either for us or against us" vitriol. Patriotic dissent born of a love of your country? Fuhgeddaboutit!

lol, sure, dissent all you want. But, all I have seen here is regurgitation of the main stream media's position on the world. Never mind that logic and reason have left long before. It now just moves on its own and nobody really questions it. Please, question things.

I do have a tendency to overstate just how bad Clinton and/or Obama will be for the Country. We will survive their mismanagement just like we survive all bad Presidents. What I fear more is this concept that everybody is entitled. That if somebody didn't do well at something the playing field is not "level".

I'm sorry. I got too long winded again.:tsk:

[Hallen]

He set back race relations in this country 40 years. I'm currently watching his speach on TV in my hometown of Eugene, Oregon. This guy has no fucking idea what he is talking about. He needs to take a class on economics and fiscal policy. The people who are cheering him on are so rediculously ignorant it's retarded.

"We want to protect the salmon and the streams" is what Obama just said.

Then - he also discusses alternative "sustainable energy"

Hey Obama - guess what the fuck is up? Oregon has a SHIT LOAD OF WATER. yeah, and it flows down through streams and rivers shit, you know, with gravity- and guess what? We can harness that energy to generate hydro-electric power! Oh wait, but we can't.... because you're talking about saving salmon but we can't do that because the alternative energy might KILL salmon in the turbines that create the power that is SUSTAINABLE and ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY!

this guy has contradictions running so deep he couldn't possibly conceive of finding a way out of the hole he digs every time he speaks.

Dude, smack on dead center. lol

I have been having that rant about hydro electric power for years. The sad thing is we can have both. Overfishing is probably more of a problem than the dams ever were. I remember as a kid watching the solid wall of fish climbing the fish ladders at North Fork dam on the Clackamas near where I grew up. There didn't seem to be a problem. But all of a sudden, dams were bad and the fish were used to justify it. Clean, renewable, plentiful power removed from play 30 years ago based on an assumption.

Oh, and by the way, if other forms of renewable energy were so easy to do, don't you think one of those horrible, evil and greedy corporations would have found a way to make it and sell it?

Side note:
Have any of you seen just how HUGE those wind powered generators are that they use in the Gorge? A full length flatbed semi can carry two of the blades. They just barely fit. A full length semi flatbead can carry one of the tower sections but it bulges out the side by a good 3 or 4 feet. It takes another of those semis to carry the generator. That thing is huge. I wonder what those things cost and how long they have to run before you cover your cost of goods?

[Julien]

2 quick points:

'04 election:
One of the biggest areas of concerns duing the '04 election was terrorism and foreign policy (border control). If you looked at the county by county break down of the 04 votes, everyone who has actually been affected by terrorism, foreign policy and border control voted DEMOCRAT. The entirety of NY city voted kerry, so did all the counties neighbored Mexico of Texas and D.C.
link-> http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/...osterAll50.gif

To everyone who lives their honkey-dory life in middle america, please stop passing judgement on shit you have never lived. This applies to terrorism, democraticsocialism, imigration and the muslim faith.

Personally I have lived/experienced several cities in western Europe, and have also dealt with american imigration rules. This does not make me an authority on anything, but has given me some perspective on many issues. A 1 to 2 week rush through Europe will not give you even the faintest of ideas how good/bad life is there. Living in bumfuck nowhere middle usa will also not give you any idea how rediculously severe america's imigration laws are. And lastly, the muslim faith, which seem to be synonymous with terrorism in this country, is the biggest religion in the world and works quite well. No need for a group of North American calvinists to tell middle eastern muslims how to be "free."

[abstract thought]
One thing that I have noticed is that no matter what country you live in, the tradtional male worker reasoning is conservative reasoning. This is absolutely fine, as, to me, conservative reasoning is basic/animalistic response to a dangerous environment. The problem that I do notice in America is that America as a whole is so far off the conservative edge compared to the rest of the world that your typical male worker is so far off the fucking scale compared to the world that it is truly amazing to any outsider.
[/abstract thought]

I've had a few to drink tonight, don't give me shit about syntax or spelling.

Don't get me wrong, America is a great country. It's not the greatest at anything, but it's a nice place to live. But to me, it needs to understand we are all in a comunity (the world that is) and that it should start living less at the expense of others (natural resources/polution/economy).

Julien

[Sean]

Yeah, I got a chuckle out of that one.
I heard a guy on the radio today, call in, and try to explain how it was impossible for a black person to be a racist. WTF?

Mike Malloy is already blaming Obama's loss being due to the Racism in America. That guy is funny to listen to...

Yea, that's crap. When a black person starts going on about how they deserve to get a scholarship because they're black or something - they're racist. If we're all equal here, race wouldn't matter, and if I had a better GPA I'd get it! But, because he's black, he will. (not saying it's happened to me - but I'm sure something equal to it has)



There is some pretty interesting things to read in here.

I just can't believe someone would vote for Hiliary because she'd be the "first" woman president and Obama would be the first black president - who gives a shit? Neither of them are getting my vote, and it's because one is no where near qualified and the other is just doing what it takes to get into her oval office.