obama the hypocrite

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Little Johnny

A teacher in Elmira, New York
asked her 6th grade class how many of them were Obama fans.

Not really knowing what an Obama fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raised their hands except for Little Johnny.

The teacher asked Little Johnny why he has decided to be different...Again.

Little Johnny says, 'Because I'm not an Obama fan.'

The teacher says, 'Why aren't you an Obama fan?'

Johnny says, 'Because I'm a Republican.'

The teacher asks why he's a Republican.

Little Johnny answered, 'Well, my mom's a Republican and my dad's a Republican, so I'm a Republican'

The teacher asks, 'If your mom was a moron and your dad was an idiot, what would that make you?'

With a big smile, Little Johnny replies, 'That would make me an Obama fan.

[Sean]

A teacher in Elmira, New York
asked her 6th grade class how many of them were Obama fans.

Not really knowing what an Obama fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raised their hands except for Little Johnny.

The teacher asked Little Johnny why he has decided to be different...Again.

Little Johnny says, 'Because I'm not an Obama fan.'

The teacher says, 'Why aren't you an Obama fan?'

Johnny says, 'Because I'm a Republican.'

The teacher asks why he's a Republican.

Little Johnny answered, 'Well, my mom's a Republican and my dad's a Republican, so I'm a Republican'

The teacher asks, 'If your mom was a moron and your dad was an idiot, what would that make you?'

With a big smile, Little Johnny replies, 'That would make me an Obama fan.

Should change that to little Seany...cause my son is gonna totally say shit like that!! bwhahaaaa

**when I have one 10 years from now!**

[Hallen]

2 quick points:

'04 election:
One of the biggest areas of concerns duing the '04 election was terrorism and foreign policy (border control). If you looked at the county by county break down of the 04 votes, everyone who has actually been affected by terrorism, foreign policy and border control voted DEMOCRAT. The entirety of NY city voted kerry, so did all the counties neighbored Mexico of Texas and D.C.
link-> http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/...osterAll50.gif

To everyone who lives their honkey-dory life in middle america, please stop passing judgement on shit you have never lived. This applies to terrorism, democraticsocialism, imigration and the muslim faith.

That is so absolutely, completely arrogant and ignorant, that I can't actually believe you said it.
Big city people vote democrat because the are used to and believe in more government intervention in their personal lives and because there are many, many more poor and entitlement oriented people in urban environments than rural environments. People in rural areas tend rely on themselves and their families to solve problems, not the government.
The democrats do traditionally get some rural areas. It is no mystery and it has nothing to do with boarder security.

To say that because I don't live in NY City that I have NO SAY in how MY COUNTRY defends itself is the purest form arrogance and snobbery that I have ever seen. What a crock of shit. It is that kind of attitude, close minded, stereotype enforcing, idiotic statement that drives people apart and ends all rational conversation. You, my friend, need to quit thinking that you know it all and start learning. I don't care where you have been or what you have done, you obviously have not LEARNED anything.

Personally I have lived/experienced several cities in western Europe, and have also dealt with american imigration rules. This does not make me an authority on anything, but has given me some perspective on many issues. A 1 to 2 week rush through Europe will not give you even the faintest of ideas how good/bad life is there. Living in bumfuck nowhere middle usa will also not give you any idea how rediculously severe america's imigration laws are.

Really now, just because you went on the European tour you are qualified to speak on immigration? Many of those laws were put into effect to protect American jobs by the way... I don't know for sure, but that is usually a Democrat type of thing to do. Yes, there are some tough immigration laws, but the only way you are getting denied is if you are a criminal or subversive or you have no good reason to come here.
Illegal immigration is the problem, not legal immigration.

And lastly, the muslim faith, which seem to be synonymous with terrorism in this country, is the biggest religion in the world and works quite well. No need for a group of North American calvinists to tell middle eastern muslims how to be "free."

That is you saying that. You believe that all those hicks out there think that Muslim=terrorist. Why is that? Why do you think that is true? Is it because somebody told you that it is? Have you personally done a survey? Can you prove that? Of course not. Because it isn't true. It is what the liberal media has told you and you swallowed it. You are willing to believe it because you think you are smarter than everybody else and that you know better what the rest of us should think. Typical liberal attitude.

[abstract thought]
One thing that I have noticed is that no matter what country you live in, the tradtional male worker reasoning is conservative reasoning. This is absolutely fine, as, to me, conservative reasoning is basic/animalistic response to a dangerous environment. The problem that I do notice in America is that America as a whole is so far off the conservative edge compared to the rest of the world that your typical male worker is so far off the fucking scale compared to the world that it is truly amazing to any outsider.
[/abstract thought]

That wasn't an abstract thought. That is pure democratic liberal drivel that you have lapped up like a starving dog. Basic/animistic response? lol, give my a break. I am not going to try and define conservatism for you because you simply wouldn't understand it anyway. Maybe when you grow up (which has nothing to do with age, btw), you might start to understand. Either way, you just basically said that all conservatives are primitive people. Again, a typical liberal attitude based on fear of the truth.
Also, most blue collar workers in the US are DEMOCRATS, so they actually support your liberal agenda.

I've had a few to drink tonight, don't give me shit about syntax or spelling.

Don't get me wrong, America is a great country. It's not the greatest at anything, but it's a nice place to live. But to me, it needs to understand we are all in a comunity (the world that is) and that it should start living less at the expense of others (natural resources/polution/economy).

Julien

All I have to say Julien, if that is your attitude, then you really should move to Europe and nestle in with the liberals there. You will be much more happy because there will be nothing to challenge your warped perceptions.

[Julien]

Did you even read my post before getting your panties in a bunch?

That is so absolutely, completely arrogant and ignorant, that I can't actually believe you said it.
Big city people vote democrat because the are used to and believe in more government intervention in their personal lives and because there are many, many more poor and entitlement oriented people in urban environments than rural environments. People in rural areas tend rely on themselves and their families to solve problems, not the government.
The democrats do traditionally get some rural areas. It is no mystery and it has nothing to do with boarder security.

Did you even look at the map? I was just stating a fact.

To say that because I don't live in NY City that I have NO SAY in how MY COUNTRY defends itself is the purest form arrogance and snobbery that I have ever seen. What a crock of shit. It is that kind of attitude, close minded, stereotype enforcing, idiotic statement that drives people apart and ends all rational conversation. You, my friend, need to quit thinking that you know it all and start learning. I don't care where you have been or what you have done, you obviously have not LEARNED anything.

What you don't seem to grasp is that I was merely stating an observation from the county to county election break down. You somehow found a way to interpret it and take it personally. Congrats.

Really now, just because you went on the European tour you are qualified to speak on immigration? Many of those laws were put into effect to protect American jobs by the way... I don't know for sure, but that is usually a Democrat type of thing to do. Yes, there are some tough immigration laws, but the only way you are getting denied is if you are a criminal or subversive or you have no good reason to come here.
Illegal immigration is the problem, not legal immigration.

I have lived in america as an immigrant for the past 17 years on and off.

That is you saying that. You believe that all those hicks out there think that Muslim=terrorist. Why is that? Why do you think that is true? Is it because somebody told you that it is? Have you personally done a survey? Can you prove that? Of course not. Because it isn't true. It is what the liberal media has told you and you swallowed it. You are willing to believe it because you think you are smarter than everybody else and that you know better what the rest of us should think. Typical liberal attitude.

When was the last time you went out into the country? Here is a little bet for you, drive down to good old boy village with "Praise Allah" written on your back window, see if you get murdered.

That wasn't an abstract thought. That is pure democratic liberal drivel that you have lapped up like a starving dog. Basic/animistic response? lol, give my a break. I am not going to try and define conservatism for you because you simply wouldn't understand it anyway. Maybe when you grow up (which has nothing to do with age, btw), you might start to understand. Either way, you just basically said that all conservatives are primitive people. Again, a typical liberal attitude based on fear of the truth.

When people think, democrats win. Bill Clinton.

Also, most blue collar workers in the US are DEMOCRATS, so they actually support your liberal agenda.


All I have to say Julien, if that is your attitude, then you really should move to Europe and nestle in with the liberals there. You will be much more happy because there will be nothing to challenge your warped perceptions.

You sound like a typical upper middle class conservative poster boy. Big mouthed.. I'm sure you have some kind of bachlores degree in something too.

Chew on this: What I was merely trying to prove with my post is that once you do open your eyes, travel, live & work on different continents it does not make you anything, but it does however, make you realize how little you do know.

[1991 318is]

Well, the PRIMARY (aka majority) religion in this country is Christianity, so...At least McCains "spritual advisor" isn't a racist, america-hating, segregator.

You're correct. McCain's spiritual advisors are racist, hate mongering, zealots who would persecute others based on their religion. They make no distinction between Islamic extremists and the mainstream and advocate pre-emptive war against Iran. McCain picked up this scum trying to get next to the Christian right. Obama joined Wright's church to get street cred and play down his elite eastern school boy image when he was a community organizer in Chicago. Hillary is transparent. She just wants power.
McCain had Joe Leiberman at his side recently whispering in his ear when he said Iran was training Al Qaeda. Wouldn't be ironic if McCain had the same running mate as Al Gore.

[Julien]

just gonna throw this out there:

since this thread started the fav. pix thread is dying. porn>politics, get to work. kthsbye

[Hallen]

Did you even read my post before getting your panties in a bunch?

Did you even look at the map? I was just stating a fact.

What you don't seem to grasp is that I was merely stating an observation from the county to county election break down. You somehow found a way to interpret it and take it personally. Congrats.

No, that is not what you said. You said that only people in NY were capable of judging the 911 terrorist attacks because they happened to live NY. You said that rural people are primitive ignorant hicks. It shows your bias, it shows your ignorance, and it shows that you really don't think for yourself because it is exactly the party line for liberal socialism and entitlement subjugation.

You didn't innocently point out data on a map and make a logical conclusion. You pointed out data and made accusations based off of your perception. If you think it is OK to do that and just innocently say you were just pointing out data, then you really need to reevaluate your ethics and logic.

I have travelled. I have lived in different parts of the US. I have been exposed to both ends of the spectrum. Yes, I have a degree. I worked for it and I got it so I could get a better job to take care of my family. I did just that. I have turned wrenches for a living and set choker and humped a chainsaw around for my money too. I know how to work hard and I know how to work smart. I make stuff that gets sold all over the world that enables people to build a better world. I am proud of what I do and what I have done. I am proud of my Country. I respect other people's rights.

You don't seem to be proud of anything other than the fact that you think you are smarter than the rest of us because you have smoked the peace pipe with your European brethren. You don't seem to respect other people unless they happen to be just like you. Pretty strange contradiction there. But, that is pretty normal for a liberal.

Have a nice day.

[Hallen]

just gonna throw this out there:

since this thread started the fav. pix thread is dying. porn>politics, get to work. kthsbye

Agreed. Postem if you gottem.

[trent]

When people think, democrats win. Bill Clinton.

This statement could not be further than the truth. You clearly demonstrate your lack of understanding US political issues. Since you don't know, look up the "Perot Effect."

[Julien]

No, that is not what you said. You said that only people in NY were capable of judging the 911 terrorist attacks because they happened to live NY. You said that rural people are primitive ignorant hicks. It shows your bias, it shows your ignorance, and it shows that you really don't think for yourself because it is exactly the party line for liberal socialism and entitlement subjugation.

You didn't innocently point out data on a map and make a logical conclusion. You pointed out data and made accusations based off of your perception. If you think it is OK to do that and just innocently say you were just pointing out data, then you really need to reevaluate your ethics and logic.

I have travelled. I have lived in different parts of the US. I have been exposed to both ends of the spectrum. Yes, I have a degree. I worked for it and I got it so I could get a better job to take care of my family. I did just that. I have turned wrenches for a living and set choker and humped a chainsaw around for my money too. I know how to work hard and I know how to work smart. I make stuff that gets sold all over the world that enables people to build a better world. I am proud of what I do and what I have done. I am proud of my Country. I respect other people's rights.

You don't seem to be proud of anything other than the fact that you think you are smarter than the rest of us because you have smoked the peace pipe with your European brethren. You don't seem to respect other people unless they happen to be just like you. Pretty strange contradiction there. But, that is pretty normal for a liberal.

Have a nice day.

*sigh* I give up.

[Old'n'Slow]

The point you seem to not understand is that we went there to protect our interests and to protect ourselves from more brutal attacks. We didn't throw the first punch here, and a sucker punch at that.

Please describe Iraq's "first punch". Are you still under the impression he had something to do with 9/11? Even Bush gave up on that one.

You're right, they didn't... for the most part. Well, except for those who escaped Iraq after Saddam took over. They were screaming for help. But never mind them, they aren't important.

Our actions, or inactions have resulted in a mounting humanitarian catastrophe. Shall we continue to ignore these "screams for help"?

OK, now that went too far. Never, ever doubt the abilities or perseverance of our military.<snip>

Hmmmm.....that's not what I hear from soldiers-several of which used to work for me-about the US military. They use terms like "goat fuck" when describing the level of incompetence with regard to how their daily activities have been managed. They insist that so-called Iraqi Insurgents are neither Iraqi, nor insurgents, but are disenfranchised, easily recruited young men from neighboring countries who have been promised a wonderful afterlife in exchange for killing a few American Infidels.

If you really want them to clean the place out in a few weeks like you seem to think is possible, remove their handcuffs.

The problem is bigger. A conservative administration with no clear plan or goals entered into a hastily and ill-conceived war with an enemy they did not understand. There should be many times the number of personnel on the ground. Like WWII in Europe. But that would require a draft. And as patriotic and conservative as many of the 635 members of congress appear to be, it is very telling that fewer than 10 have children in the military. A country should feel like it is at war, but if it weren't on the news, I'd never know it were happening. Americans, aside from those who have relatives in the conflict, don't feel any pain from the war. No inconvenience.

You can't have it both ways by the way. We can't completely control Iraq without becoming what we are there to remove, but by being honorable, we also make it much more difficult to do the job.

A consequence of not understanding our enemy. How do you fight an enemy who has a bigger incentive to die than to live?

Again, not nearly enough troops on the ground. Each and every city of consequence should be under 24 hour martial law until the infrastructure is functioning and an effective government is in place. But as long as the death-bent mosquitos are able to move about, the bitings will continue.

The kind of ignorance you are showing on this subject is really saddening and honestly, sickening. I hope that all those who served to give you the ability to be so damned self richeous ever have to hear that kind of filth spoken.

Nice. How many Iraq veterans do you personally know? How many of your acquaintances and relatives have served? How often do you volunteer to help disabled veterans get the help they need? They've returned from giving their all to be often treated like welfare scum by their own government. I'm not righteous, but I think America wrongly believes itself to be.

So are you saying we should send our troops to Africa and clean it out?

[sarcasm]If we're all about helping those screaming for help and selflessly righting the wrongs in the world and spreading democracy, then how can we not? [/sarcasm]

There are worse people out there than Saddam. But letting one great evil stand because there is a risk that a greater evil will rise up is no way to live.

I agree that all it takes for evil to flourish is for men of good conscience to nothing, but when did the US decide to be WorldCop? I don't remember voting on that, which surely would have happened in a functioning democracy.

LOL, funny. Maybe your interpretation of the constitution is under attack, but the Constitution has not been abandoned.

No? Just try to enjoy your First Amendment right next time a big politician is in your town.

Read the Patriot Act in it's entirety and tell me the Constitution is not being attacked.

And how very communist of you. I am not about taking anything away from anybody who has worked for it. I am against taking things away from those who HAVE worked for it and giving it to somebody who has not. Don't forget, I am one of those who work. I have worked multiple jobs at once to get my family ahead. I have served my Country and State for 20 years, don't tell me about sweat.

What about the guys who put their life into their job, and then are laid off before retirement and their pension vanishes while the CEOs enjoy bonuses and Golden Parachutes? Who earned what?

Another assumption that is based on the skewed view of the media. What, exactly, is lopsided my friend? What opportunity did I have that others do not? It is the assumption that if somebody is born into poverty that they must too remain in poverty? Those who are willing to make something of themselves always do. It is the culture that traps people, not the "unlevel playing field". It perpetuates itself and until individuals decide to break the cycle, there is nothing that can be done about it.

While I do not describe myself as pro-abortion, it cannot be denied that when you force a low-income, low-education woman to bring a baby into the world that she does not want, and is not prepared to handle, we create two problems. Now, that woman in more likely to need taxpayer help, and her child is more likely to also be low income, low-education, and much more likely to seek illegitimate sources of income. The conservatives say "no one forced her to become pregnant. It's her problem!" That's fine, but why doesn't anyone treat rich, white politicians the same way when they get caught in wrongdoing? How come politicians convicted of felonies while serving the people who elected them get to keep their taxpayer funded pensions? Level playing field indeed.

Now it is my turn. Oh, pllleeeaase. Fascist state?<snip>

Can you really tell me there aren't serious signs of this in this country already?

And don't start on the whole corporate thing.<snip>

Working for a corporation is different than being a corporation.

The hourly worker at Verizon has no say in legislation that affects his/her position. But the CEOs who hire the lobbyists to help persuade taxpayer funded public servants to support or suppress legislation as need be, to suit the corporate interest are manipulating the system to their shareholder's benefit. Which is not necessarily beneficial to the public, who are ostensibly the ones the public servant is supposed to be watching out for.

If capitalism is so great, why do we need to pump billions of dollars of corporate welfare and tax breaks their way? Why do we let companies like Wal*Mart be taxed at an effective .35% rate, while the surrounding businesses must pay the going state rate?

What evil things? Seriously, what? I don't think you understand what is evil.

Interesting. I suppose that's a point of view thing. We will likely have different ideas about what constitutes evil, but I think we can agree that pathological presidential lying is a symptom.

I can't and won't defend bigots, no matter what color they come in.

Neither will I, but we seldom see the full story in the sound-bite environment of the American Media Circus these days. Reserving judgement pending more information.

Besides, just because Obama went to this church doesn't mean he gives assent to everything the pastor says or does anymore than we think a white Catholic politician that continues to attend after reports of widespread sexual abuse and cover-ups, is giving his assent to pedophilia.

...all I have seen here is regurgitation of the main stream media's position on the world....

I'm not sure what you mean by "mainstream media". FOX and CNN are mainstream, but would you say they have the same views of things? Besides, I tend to get most of my news from non-US sources.

I do have a tendency to overstate just how bad Clinton and/or Obama will be for the Country. We will survive their mismanagement just like we survive all bad Presidents.

We need to do much more than survive if we are to maintain a position of leadership in the world. We need to flourish. There are people in comas that could be said to be surviving.

I'm sorry. I got too long winded again.:tsk:

Yep.....me too :-l

[Ral]

I'm still confused... where's the warning signs to Fascism?

-If the govt. controlled the media, you wouldn't have dissenting opinions.
-The military takes an oath to the Constitution, not the president, commander, or anyone else. Civilian control of the military is major part of our armed forces/governmental structure.
-Disdain for human rights... um.... explain how we have disdain for human rights. I could show examples of how much we do care about it, but it would be superfluous.
-religion and government are separated. Yes, this is still true.
-The Arts still receive a large number of government grants, artists/musicians are respected, the American higher education system is the best and most open in the world.
-.. ahh, forget it.

As to your views on the military, Hallen is a vet IIRC. Good to see you're breaking the mold, treating him with respect that you feel the rest of the country doesn't give him. Or the rest of the military members on this board. And I doubt you volunteer with disabled vets based on your posts here.

-More boots on the ground means a bigger, stronger military, and the funding that goes with it. But, according to the picture you put up, that's one more step toward "fascism". Do you really want that?
-Don't confuse the "goat fuck" on a micro scale of a few soldiers' daily lives with the overall power of the military. The military is a frustrating place to work under, and there's A LOT of bullshit in everyday life. That doesn't mean the rest of the military is incompetent.
-"disenfranchised, easily recruited young men from neighboring countries who have been promised a wonderful afterlife in exchange for killing a few American Infidels" are exactly who we're fighting.

I wonder what you'll be saying when there's another attack. Most likely, "How did the government let this happen? They should have known and been able to stop it!! They're incompetent! Who's at fault?"

The reason there haven't been more attacks is because they're all trying to fight the military. The fight's going to happen- They have sworn to keep fighting until the entire world is Muslim, and under their control. ("They" is not Muslims, but extremists who use Islam as a medium to expand their political power.) So, either we take the fight elsewhere, or it happens here.

One last thing- the war in Iraq is working. Iraqi popular support has dropped sharply for Al-Queda, And the Iraqis are busily trying to get their country up and running. Americans are building the infrastructure, and progress is being made quickly. Sectarian violence has decreased dramatically; the Iraqi security forces, Navy, and police are building up quickly under U.S. advisors.
Interestingly, if the government controlled the media, you would be hearing about it.

A lot of people here remind me of those dumbasses in Berkeley..
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...es-in-berkeley

[Old'n'Slow]

I'm still confused... where's the warning signs to Fascism?

-If the govt. controlled the media, you wouldn't have dissenting opinions.
-The military takes an oath to the Constitution, not the president, commander, or anyone else. Civilian control of the military is major part of our armed forces/governmental structure.
-Disdain for human rights... um.... explain how we have disdain for human rights. I could show examples of how much we do care about it, but it would be superfluous.
-religion and government are separated. Yes, this is still true.
-The Arts still receive a large number of government grants, artists/musicians are respected, the American higher education system is the best and most open in the world.
-.. ahh, forget it.

First off let me set the record straight on a few things....

• I believe we need a strong military.
• I believe every able-bodied young person aged 17 should be required to serve a two-year commitment with very few exceptions.
• I believe those who have thus served should be provided with government -funded opportunities for higher education in return for serving.
• I believe the veterans are true National Heroes and should treated as such.

For those young persons on this board who claim to be patriotic, conservative, and to love their country, I suggest they enlist. Their country needs them. I am too old to enlist, so I help as time permits with several local agencies that do everything from helping vets fill out paperwork, to driving them to appointments and helping find work.

Oddly, most of the other volunteers call themselves "liberal".

My anger rests squarely on the shoulders of the leaders who have put our soldiers in harm's way without due concern for the welfare of those soldiers. Who have failed to provide support for the troops. Not "yeaay team" support, but proper medical and psychological support, as well as equipment suitable to the task. Who have continued to blunder their way through a protracted military engagement without fully understanding the nature of the enemy.

This has all happened under a conservative Republican administration. An administration that has again and again misrepresented its motives in Iraq.

As to your views on the military, Hallen is a vet IIRC. Good to see you're breaking the mold, treating him with respect that you feel the rest of the country doesn't give him. Or the rest of the military members on this board. And I doubt you volunteer with disabled vets based on your posts here.

Addressed above.

-More boots on the ground means a bigger, stronger military, and the funding that goes with it. But, according to the picture you put up, that's one more step toward "fascism". Do you really want that?
-Don't confuse the "goat fuck" on a micro scale of a few soldiers' daily lives with the overall power of the military. The military is a frustrating place to work under, and there's A LOT of bullshit in everyday life. That doesn't mean the rest of the military is incompetent.

Also addressed above.

-"disenfranchised, easily recruited young men from neighboring countries who have been promised a wonderful afterlife in exchange for killing a few American Infidels" are exactly who we're fighting.

Wait! I thought it was because the regime of Saddam Hussein was a clear and present danger to the United States. We HAD to act lest he attack. But it wasn't really that, was it? Then it was "he had a hand in 9/11". Then it wasn't anymore. Now, since the region has been destabilized and there aren't enough groundpounders to create a presence, soldiers are randomly picked off by people who should never have been able to get into the country in the first place, had it been properly secured!

I wonder what you'll be saying when there's another attack. Most likely, "How did the government let this happen? They should have known and been able to stop it!! They're incompetent! Who's at fault?"

I do not believe for a minute that 9/11 was pulled off by 19 Saudis acting relatively alone, armed only with box cutters, who, according to their flight instructors could barely fly. It will be decades before any of us find out what really happened. I will not speculate further.

That said, I believe the threat is overstated and here's why: our borders are sieves. Bush admits around 3 million "undocumenteds" walk into this country every year. If the jihadists are such a threat, I cannot believe a single one has not yet bothered to quietly cross the Atlantic to Mexico, then into the US, armed with a backpack sized dirty bomb and blown himself up and irradiated half of Manhattan in the process. If such a plot had been interdicted, I don't think the government would hesitate to use it as an example of why we must "stay the course".

The reason there haven't been more attacks is because they're all trying to fight the military. The fight's going to happen- They have sworn to keep fighting until the entire world is Muslim, and under their control. ("They" is not Muslims, but extremists who use Islam as a medium to expand their political power.) So, either we take the fight elsewhere, or it happens here.

I'm not sure I can buy into that argument. Small groups have occasionally taken advantage of lax US security in the past and tried to cause mayhem. Like the first attack on the WTC in 1993. But it would take thousands of ships and planes and hundreds of thousands of troops to cause the US any problems on a national scale. Yet we spend trillions taking the fight to them, while locally, our water supplies and other critical infrastructures continue to be vulnerable to attack by small groups.

One last thing- the war in Iraq is working. Iraqi popular support has dropped sharply for Al-Queda, And the Iraqis are busily trying to get their country up and running. Americans are building the infrastructure, and progress is being made quickly. Sectarian violence has decreased dramatically; the Iraqi security forces, Navy, and police are building up quickly under U.S. advisors.

I eagerly await good news.

Interestingly, if the government controlled the media, you would be hearing about it.

If the government controlled the media, it wouldn't work anyway....

A lot of people here remind me of those dumbasses in Berkeley..

I hope you are still thankful that they have the right to do that, and that you have the right to call them dumbasses for it! :)

[808BMW]

BTW hes Hawaiian and black, usually thought of as fake.

Thought of as a fake? A fake black man? Just for clarification, Obama is not Hawaiian, trust me.

[Funkmasta]

why would you want to "require" people to participate in the military?

What, exactly, would this accomplish?

I can tell you a certain by-product would be people ending up enlisting that DGRA (dont give a rat's ass). Sounds like a lot of wasted paperwork and sergeant wages to me (not to mention potentially lethal poor decision-making due to lack of caring). Lets focus on the people that WANT to enlist. There are plenty of people who HAVE WEIGHED the costs and benefits and made their decision accordingly.
I am all for boosting the benefits in a time of war. It is not like we are lacking troops.