Global Warming: What do you think? What do you know?

[E30 Wagen]

I skoff at people who buy hybrids because they think they are superior than others by being down with the "Green movement".....

So, you can read minds, too? I had no idea that those "green" people were nothing but pretentious, liberal show-offs aiming to build street-cred with the OG tree huggers.

come on, seriously dude... Some people just think hybrids are cool like how we think BMW's are cool. They could care less about performance. So what?

They sure can save a lot of money, but if you're not a financial "dipshit" as you put it...

Um, you said it first...

I totally agree with the logic you argue regarding hybrids. But, why do you care if somebody is going to spend the extra money on one? If anything, I would have thought you would support the fact that people are going to be dumb enough to shell over the extra $10k on a hybrid vehicle because it will stimulate the economy (among other "green" marketing). But no, you call them dipshits and have fun passing them in your BMW. How are you any less "elitist" than them? I just don't get you.

By all means, go ahead and drive a gas guzzler if you can afford it. I don't care. I'm not buying a hybrid any time soon either.

[uofom3]

So, if you are in favor of recycling and protecting the environment, why do you skoff at people who buy hybrids? Do you honestly view them as brainwashed dipshits or people who simply wanted to try something new with their next car purchase? Maybe instead of dropping 30 large, they bought used? Also, they indeed can save families lots of money on fuel costs over a year.

I'm sorry, but you just act like such a fucking know-it-all in all these controversial thread topics. It irks me.

I skoff at people who buy hybrids because they think they are superior than others by being down with the "Green movement". The cheapest USED hybrid I could find in my area in my quick google search was 18k for an '03 honda hybrid vutcha-ma-callit. A 2000 civic DX gets 35+ mpg on the worst gas you can put in it and that will run you 4k tops. Spending that kind of money, plus insurance, etc. to get something that is rediculously unsafe, slow as a shit (and I mean from a safety perspective, not in a quarter mile perspective), and is generally overpriced doesn't make much sense. They sure can save a lot of money, but if you're not a financial "dipshit" as you put it they would buy a base model civic for 1/2 the cost, still get insane gas mileage, save money on insurance, and have a smaller initial capital expenditure. BUT - now I'm being a know-it-all again. The people who drive hybrids where I live are rich liberals who are doing it in an attempt to be martyrs against the "man" and the evil oil companies - while at the same time establishing their street cred for being "down with the green movement". I could give a shit less what people want to buy - but I still find it amusing and this IS a discussion about global warming so it's in play here.

Take a stance and defend; that is all that I'm doing. I'm sorry you don't like me. There is nothing I can do to help that, but that's ok - I'm not here to please people or make people feel good. I actually thoroughly enjoy politics, economics, business, etc. and spend time reading about it, studying it, and trying to be as informed as I can on a daily basis with regards to these topics. That's why I have a position, and I defend it fervently. I certainly don't know everything; the more you learn the more you find out you don't know. Because I'm on vacation, enjoying a coors light, playing some guitar, and generally am in a passive and non-combative mood - I won't add anything beyond that.

[joshh]

http://www.junkscience.com/

http://www.icecap.us/

GW is horse shit. And a very strong religion.

[kway]

My thoughts: It doesn't matter what any of us thinks about global warming. Real/scam, caused by humans/natural cycle, whatever. Mother nature is one resilient bitch, and she ALWAYS finds a way of making things go her way. She can be a real waffleswaffleswaffleswaffles about it if she has to.

If humans are in fact to blame, the problem will eventually be corrected. Extinction or a drastic reduction of the human race? Let's hope it doesn't come to that. One way or the other though, the shit's gonna hit the fan.

I believe global warming is real, is exacerbated -if not caused by- human activity, and if left unchecked, will render this planet nearly uninhabitable by our species in its present evolution. We wouldn't see it in our time, I doubt our children, or their children would either, but if that's what it's going to take....

That said, I'm as much to blame as anyone else. I haven't made any drastic changes to my lifestyle, so shame on me. I hope I'm wrong about it all, time will tell.

Have a nice day!:D

[Maluco]

"Twenty-five billion dollars in government funding has been spent since 1990 to research global warming."

Global Warming is not going anywhere!!!! With that kind of funding, we could have blizzards in Florida, and you will still have those on the employed side talking about it. It's ridiculous, they pin this shit on humans, and you as an individual driving your SUV, in order for us to blindly, with some guilt and acceptance, allow this kind of shit to go on. I can't even fathom what 25 billion could do if applied to domestic and international issues.. I wonder how much other countries spend on Global Warming research...

[E30 Wagen]

Completely agree.

I think global warming is a crock of shit (obviously), but I am in total favor of recycling, properly disposing of harzardous materials, and generally taking care of the environment. We should spend this money that is being wasted in this global warming hoax to make recycling recepticals more easily accessible in public places and continuing education for people on how to recycle.

So, if you are in favor of recycling and protecting the environment, why do you skoff at people who buy hybrids? Do you honestly view them as brainwashed dipshits or people who simply wanted to try something new with their next car purchase? Maybe instead of dropping 30 large, they bought used? Also, they indeed can save families lots of money on fuel costs over a year.

I'm sorry, but you just act like such a fucking know-it-all in all these controversial thread topics. It irks me.

[e30e]

Completely agree.

I think global warming is a crock of shit (obviously), but I am in total favor of recycling, properly disposing of harzardous materials, and generally taking care of the environment. We should spend this money that is being wasted in this global warming hoax to make recycling recepticals more easily accessible in public places and continuing education for people on how to recycle.

X 10000000000000

The term "going green" makes me want to punch someone

[uofom3]

Regardless - and everyone agrees - pollution needs to stop. littering needs to stop. We're all poisoning our environments and paying the price.

Completely agree.

I think global warming is a crock of shit (obviously), but I am in total favor of recycling, properly disposing of harzardous materials, and generally taking care of the environment. We should spend this money that is being wasted in this global warming hoax to make recycling recepticals more easily accessible in public places and continuing education for people on how to recycle.

[Turf1600]

Regardless - and everyone agrees - pollution needs to stop. littering needs to stop. We're all poisoning our environments and paying the price.

[Maluco]

In this flagrantly record-breaking acceleration? No



Mariano

"the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero). "

[Mulholland]

Well, my opinion is based on 2 parts, and make no mistake, it is only my opinion, with a highly over simplified analogy, and no supporting facts, so take it with a grain of salt.

1) I live in Texas, and I lived in Longview when we set record high's and record droughts for Texas some 6-8 years ago. and I can tell everyone quite blatantly, regardless of if you live somewhere that is experiencing warmer climate shifts than normal annually, we aren't. It has been remarkably cool for Texas the last 3-4 years. Last summer I think we broke 100 maybe 3 days, and for the most part we have had a continuous fall/winter (for Texas) for the entire last year.

2) Somewhere between thermal transfer and continentiality, comes this little idea. If we were heating up globally, and we wouldn't notice, because if the ice caps continually melted they would be bring global temperatures down in my mind. If you pour a hot soda into a glass, filled say 3/4ths of the way with ice, there is enough ice that it is able to drop the soda to a low enough temperature that the rate at which it absorbs the heat (melts) slows to a near standstill because the temperatures become so close to one another. If you poured the same hot soda into a cup onto 2 ice cubes, yes they would be melted, however the temperature of the soda would still lower because the heat has been absorbed by the ice. So, the way I see it, melting ice caps, freeing up ice into the oceans, would cool the earth down before they ever melted enough for us to experience true global warming.

The only concept I find moderately believable is greenhouse effect, and not that we are heating the earth but rather that the atmosphere, regardless of human cause, probably is deteriorating, but unlikely at any rate that would cause real harm before we blow ourselves up or move to a new planet anyways.

Just my thoughts.

[uofom3]

It doesnt mean warm weather for everyone. It means hot warm climates get really hot, and cold climates get really cold (sound familiar?) And it also means more severe hurricanes and storms.


Mariano

Sorry bro, I just think you're misguided. Tomorrow when I have time, I'll refute this up one side and down the other. Oceanic drifts (and their temps) influence a great deal of the worlds climate - and that doesn't lend itself to what you're suggesting.

[uofom3]

Also - I drive a 4.4 x5 and a great deal of fossil fuel on a daily basis. I also enjoy passing dipshits in their toyota Prius' who think they are saving the world by buying a 30k hybrid. These people have drank the proverbial kool-aid to the greastest degree, and think they are better than everyone else because of it. Sad day for them.

[uofom3]

In this flagrantly record-breaking acceleration? No



Mariano

warmest date on record was in the 1920's (or was it the teens? one or the other)... co2 rises congruently yet SLIGHTLY lagging behind a graph of warming trends... etc. If I wasn't tired I'd have more examples to cite that global warming happens over, and over agin.

There was an ice age, and a time when the world was hot enough to not sustain a great deal of life. This is just what happens to the world over time.

I'm not about to say that the world isn't warming (but the snow pack in oregon is above average I believe) but to say that your car is why it's happening is not looking at data accurately.

It's up to each individual - but I'm just convinced. This wasn't a thing until Al Gore went postal regarding this whole situation - it's his last gasp for fame.

[CleanAzzE30z]

In this flagrantly record-breaking acceleration? No



Mariano