Bush Impeachment Hearing

[gwb72tii]

there is no way to pay for what O man promises, from healthcare to social security. you cannot raise enough taxes from the "rich" to pay for it, and besides, the "rich" already pay more than they should.
if by your post you really believe that budget defecits are the problem facing all of us, as i do, there is no way you can vote for O man based on his platform of MUCH larger government spending.

[uofom3]

I hate government, and I assume that most true conservatives hate it as well. That's why I'm so surprised by the number of Bush fans in this country. Dubya has swollen our gubmint to the size of a planet, and his policies have tanked the economy and out politcal standing in the world.

Then you have this to deal with:



http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/...cit/index.html

Deficit is projected to be 3%... on part with most of 80's and first part of the 90's... there was only one marginal period of time economically in that period, with another period of prosperity.

I dislike government as well. But how you can not see the fact that it's gotten worse since 2006? You know what I mean by that....

I really don't want to find graphs, but I'm going to have to.

[Ral]

you all have no idea how cumbersome the most socialist health care system in America really is. The Military provides free health care for its members, their dependents, and those retired after 20 years or more of service, hardly a comparable number to what a national system would be. Military health care has trouble serving the small number of people it serves (hours-long waits, poor service, etc.. I had a friend who had 2 of 4 wisdom teeth taken out. He gets to flight school, goes to see the dentist and learns his remaining two teeth that were "ok" were growing horizontally into his other teeth. So, he had the remaining two taken out and it delayed him starting flight school by 3 weeks. Come to think of it, it happened to 3 people I know of within 2 weeks of each other.) if the system can barely keep up with the relatively small demand placed on it while it's run by those in the military, who would have more pressure to perform well than a civilian doctor in the same situation, what makes you think that a national system would be even somewhat effective?

And you all thought FEMA was bad.

edit: by and large, in my personal experience, the Military system works, so I'm not dragging them through the mud as much as I'm sure it sounds. But, it works because there are outside doctors to go to when the system gets clogged (at least here in the states) and because there's a relatively small amount of users of the system. But, it will not translate to a nationwide system.

[nando]

I agree that bush isn't a very good example of a "conservative". I also hate big government. But I think blaming all our problems on his administration is irresposible and dangerous - the quick and easy way out of fixing our real and serious issues. Sort of like convicting the wrong guy of murder, while the real killer is still out there taking more victims.

Instead of burying our head in the sand, saying "BOOSH did it!" maybe we should find some real solutions. Unfortunately incumbents don't want real solutions, they want to get re-elected. Real solutions mean hard choices and hard choices do not sell.

[uofom3]

I hate government, and I assume that most true conservatives hate it as well. That's why I'm so surprised by the number of Bush fans in this country. Dubya has swollen our gubmint to the size of a planet, and his policies have tanked the economy and out politcal standing in the world.

Then you have this to deal with:



http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/...cit/index.html

Further more against that... Ken Fisher, top 300 wealthiest people in the country and owner of a 50 billion dollar investment firm thinks deficits are great (and has a resume that lends a shit load of credibility)

http://www.forbes.com/columnists/free_forbes/2004/1227/188.html

[Lair]

there is no way to pay for what O man promises, from healthcare to social security. you cannot raise enough taxes from the "rich" to pay for it, and besides, the "rich" already pay more than they should.
if by your post you really believe that budget defecits are the problem facing all of us, as i do, there is no way you can vote for O man based on his platform of MUCH larger government spending.

That other famous liberal black man (Clinton) kicked the shit out of the deficit. When Dubya arrived on scene, he had a surplus of $130 billion to owrk with.

He immediately tanked it and began a record run of deficit spending that may never be matched. I could lower taxes all day long ( at least as long as I could borrow money from China like Bush does).

When do you righties plan to pay your debt?

[uofom3]

Real solutions mean hard choices and hard choices do not sell.

That is exactly right.

I'm willing to be unpopular and say drill, kill a few fish, whatever. It's us or the fish. It's our way of life or another increase in the amount of oil in the ocean by 1% (MAYBE) or us. I choose you, me, and everyone else everyday, everytime over the fish or whatever else. Human life, and quality of it, means more to me than any form of wildlife or 1% increase in something.

It's unpopular, but I feel that's the case.

[uofom3]

That other famous liberal black man (Clinton) kicked the shit out of the deficit. When Dubya arrived on scene, he had a surplus of $130 billion to owrk with.

He immediately tanked it and began a record run of deficit spending that may never be matched. I could lower taxes all day long ( at least as long as I could borrow money from China like Bush does).

When do you righties plan to pay your debt?

How do you like the small business tax cuts from Boosh?

It will be easier to pay off when people start being smart enough to stop asking the government for money, goods, and services.

EDIT: You need to put the deficit in context with the size of GDP to get an accurate reading. Time value of money, and relational framework are needed to think of this properly.

[CleanAzzE30z]

I just love this kind of stuff - nothing better than watching politicians doing what they do best: wasting time and our tax dollars. These people are acting as if Bush is running for re-election and they are doing whatever they can to get him out. In just over 3 months' time, we will know for certain who the next leader of the United States will be. Bush's actual time remaining in power is just over 5 months - he is basically in 'farewell tour' mode at this point. Trying to oust him 1, 2 or 3 months early isn't going to amount to a hill of beans. This is nothing more than a bunch of DC windbags looking for some spotlight time and have a political ax to grind.

Jon

Ex-motherfucking-actly. This should have happened years ago to have any true significance. Disappointing to see it being done now. Complete waste. NOW people want to be shocked and want to take action? Fucking bullshit.


Mariano

[Lair]

I agree that bush isn't a very good example of a "conservative". I also hate big government. But I think blaming all our problems on his administration is irresposible and dangerous - the quick and easy way out of fixing our real and serious issues. Sort of like convicting the wrong guy of murder, while the real killer is still out there taking more victims.

Instead of burying our head in the sand, saying "BOOSH did it!" maybe we should find some real solutions. Unfortunately incumbents don't want real solutions, they want to get re-elected. Real solutions mean hard choices and hard choices do not sell.

I was an adult during Clinton's tenure, and none of our current problems arose until after he left office. Clinton inherited Dubya's daddy's mess, straightened it out, and handed Dubya a happy, healthy economy. The internet bubble? Sure, people lost money on it, but they didn't lose their homes.

[Lair]

How do you like the small business tax cuts from Boosh?

It will be easier to pay off when people start being smart enough to stop asking the government for money, goods, and services.

I wasn't lucky enough to receive any of Bush's corporate welfare (oops - I mean STIMULUS) checks.

I'm self-employed, and I'm not eligible for the same breaks that the corporate employees are.

I have a really good accountant, though, so taxes don't really concern me. My tax burden is very light.

[nando]

That other famous liberal black man (Clinton) kicked the shit out of the deficit. When Dubya arrived on scene, he had a surplus of $130 billion to owrk with.

He immediately tanked it and began a record run of deficit spending that may never be matched. I could lower taxes all day long ( at least as long as I could borrow money from China like Bush does).

When do you righties plan to pay your debt?

we were attacked almost immediately after Bush was elected. If you do not realize the paradigm shift that happened after 9/11 - I don't know what to say. Probably the single most important day in history since the end of WWII.

also - what needs to happen is the goverment has to shrink. they've gotten into every little corner of our lives, and their grip is only getting tighter. Cutting taxes and borrowing more is one thing, but that's not what we need. we need less taxes *and* less government, not more.

And I fail to see how taxing more *and* spending more through debt is any better..

[Lair]

Ex-motherfucking-actly. This should have happened years ago to have any true significance. Disappointing to see it being done now. Complete waste. NOW people want to be shocked and want to take action? Fucking bullshit.


Mariano

I wanted to impeach him in 2004.

I've always been ahead of the curve. :)

[hugh jass]

Ex-motherfucking-actly.

that is a word i've never see before

[uofom3]

I was an adult during Clinton's tenure, and none of our current problems arose until after he left office. Clinton inherited Dubya's daddy's mess, straightened it out, and handed Dubya a happy, healthy economy. The internet bubble? Sure, people lost money on it, but they didn't lose their homes.

when did the housing crunch really start? '06 anyone? It has gotten progressively (ha! no pun intended) worse since then. Today, it is finally looking to turn around.