Bush Impeachment Hearing

[rwh11385]

Let's go back to focusing on the real reasons why he's a bad choice.

There are much better reasons to think Obama is worthless than those.

Fair enough. But I still hold that I want a president that doesn't forget to hold his hand to his heart rather than lazily holding his groin. Obama looks like a man who watches bored with the emotions people have for the country, hungry for fame and the nameplate, but uninspired by anything American.

Obama talks about hard times growing up but then complains about high-end greenery and boasting about making a difference. It's a full-on drive for recognition and where is he going to go when the experts say he should do one thing, and the people he wants to win over say two different things? And what's he going to do when hard choices need to be made?? I don't trust Obama at all to do what needs to be done when it needs to be done and listen to the right people. If we needed a sweet-talking mascot, he'd be fine but not someone who should be given power.

[Lair]

You don't trust Obama because of what he MIGHT do, and that's fine.

But what about Flipper? He's changed his stance on nearly every single issue in the last six months. What are you going to do when you elect him and he flip flops again, and reverts back to his pre-election stances?

He's at least as liberal as Obama. (Or, he was before the elections.)

[rwh11385]

He says he will listen to the experts on econ and presumably follow in the shoes of Bush and Reagan. The whole gas tax thing is troubling, though. He has not come up with shit like Obama with the "plan". Both Hillary and Obama thought it their responsibility to "fix" the economy for the middle class... i.e. make it worse.

Thinking openly about cultural things doesn't scare me. Give women abortions and gays marriages. I don't care... unless i knock up chick up - then I'm pro-dead baby.

Drilling is an issue that develops and people tell him how to vote on it, oil again is a dynamic topic, privatize social security!, and a lot of that is politics (might have other things tacked onto bills) or trying to look better to more people before elections.

I at least have more faith in McCain than Obama to understand what is right isn't always popular and what is popular isn't always right. Bush had no fear of doing the unpopular if he believed or was told it was right. That takes balls. I don't Obama as having any, and thinks he can HOPE for everything to get better and not have to make a hard choice.

Not everyone is going to see every choice the President makes the same, so we can have someone there trying to make everyone happy... or the loudest people. Ending slavery, improving civil rights weren't fond of by everyone but someone had to do it. A lot of people like higher min wage, higher taxes on the rich, and no tax on gas, but that doesn't make it the smart thing to do.

Any president is going to be human, but I think McCain will be better than Obama to make the choice when its gotta be made and having more in mind than making a name for himself, like what will be best for the nation, the WHOLE nation.

[Lair]

Any president is going to be human, but I think McCain will be better than Obama to make the choice when its gotta be made and having more in mind than making a name for himself, like what will be best for the nation, the WHOLE nation.

If he's elected, I sure as hell hope you're right.

[Hallen]

If he's elected, I sure as hell hope you're right.

Just go and read the stuff on the economic plan on Obama's website. Don't just go and accept stuff and go Yeah! That will be great! (Because he just said he was going to lower your taxes and make Corporations pay their fair share, or he was going to give you money in some other way).

If you think critically about his proposals and don't get caught up in initial rush of how good it sounds, you will start to see that his plan is nothing but propaganda to get the weak minded to vote for him (and like most Dem's, he thinks most of America is weak minded). He is trying to buy your vote.

Also pay attention to how many new government entities and administrations he wants to create. Then look at the horrible, horrible ideas he has for increased regulations and increased governmental control over businesses he wants to enact (all worded in ways to show you how he is really looking out for you when he really is finding ways to make YOU more dependent on government)

You can call bullshit to 95% of the "plans" he has on his site without even having to think too hard.

Then look at McCain's site. Do the same thing. You can call bullshit on about 25% maybe 30% of his ideas. The rest are at least somewhat reasonable and will maybe do some good, but at worst won't do any damage.

Neither of the two are people I can really get behind. I am stuck with the normal decision when selecting a President... voting for the least of two Evils.

[Lair]

The big difference is - McCain's proposals change every hour on the hour.

I'm not looking for a free ride or a handout. I'm one of the few people in this country who will never whine about taxes. They are a necessary evil - whether people want to admit it or not.

A lot of the tax whiners are going to feel the cold, hard slap of reality in the coming years. Dubya has tax-cut us into the poorhouse (to the tune of $490 BILLION in '09).

Just today McCain reversed his stance on "NO NEW TAXES" and now says he "hasn't taken any options off the table".

It's a complete and total flip-flop.

McCain backs off his no-new-tax pledge
By CHARLES BABINGTON – 57 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential candidate John McCain's signal that he may be open to a higher payroll tax for Social Security, despite previous vows not to raise taxes of any kind, is drawing sharp rebukes from conservatives.

McCain's shift has come in stages, catching some Republicans by surprise. Speaking with reporters on his campaign bus on July 9, he cited a need to shore up Social Security. "I cannot tell you what I would do, except to put everything on the table," he said.

He went a step farther Sunday on ABC's "This Week," in response to a question about payroll tax increases.

"There is nothing that's off the table. I have my positions, and I'll articulate them. But nothing's off the table," McCain said. "I don't want tax increases. But that doesn't mean that anything is off the table."

That comment drew a strong response from the Club for Growth, a Washington anti-tax group. McCain's comments, the group said in a letter to the Arizona senator, are "shocking because you have been adamant in your opposition to raising taxes under any circumstances."

During a town-hall meeting in Sparks, Nev., McCain insisted anew Tuesday that he would not raise taxes if elected.

He frequently has promised not to raise taxes.

At a July 7 town-hall meeting in Denver, he said voters faced a stark choice between him and Democrat Barack Obama.

"Sen. Obama will raise your taxes," McCain said. "I won't."

In a March 16 interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity, McCain said he would cut taxes where possible, and not raise them.

"Do you mean none?" Hannity asked.

"None," McCain replied.

Both candidates have said Social Security's funding formula needs to be changed to ensure the program's long-term viability. Obama has called for imposing a new payroll tax on incomes above $250,000. Currently, only incomes up to $102,000 are subject to the 12.4 percent payroll tax, which employers and employees split evenly.

When Obama announced his plan June 13, McCain's top economic adviser, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, told reporters that as president McCain would not consider a payroll tax increase "under any imaginable circumstance."

McCain has made no specific proposals for Social Security, refusing to rule in or out anything to strengthen the benefit program for retirees and the disabled. Both candidates have said that, if elected, they would try to work out details with Republican and Democratic lawmakers.

Asked for an explanation of McCain's latest comments, campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds said the Arizona senator "has a clear and demonstrated record of opposing tax increases. John McCain is going to cut taxes" and improve government discipline, he said.

Promises never to raise taxes have bedeviled past Republican officeholders. Before being elected president in 1988, George H.W. Bush said, "Read my lips, no new taxes." But facing severe budget problems, he reneged on the promise. Some conservative groups never forgave him.

Link: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...LqaXgD927PNEG0

[//MPower]

Obama... McCain... Democrat... Republican... It makes no difference.

They're both owned by the same corporate global elite. These guys will do whatever Trilateral/Bilderberg/CFR tell them to do. Don't be fooled. The globalist agenda will move forward regardless of who is in any office.

You think the war in Iraq was Bush's idea? Think again.

[Hallen]

The big difference is - McCain's proposals change every hour on the hour.

I'm not looking for a free ride or a handout. I'm one of the few people in this country who will never whine about taxes. They are a necessary evil - whether people want to admit it or not.

A lot of the tax whiners are going to feel the cold, hard slap of reality in the coming years. Dubya has tax-cut us into the poorhouse (to the tune of $490 BILLION in '09).

Just today McCain reversed his stance on "NO NEW TAXES" and now says he "hasn't taken any options off the table".

It's a complete and total flip-flop.



Link: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...LqaXgD927PNEG0

Tell me where in that article that it said the John McCain said "I am going to raise your taxes on Social Security". What he is doing is bending over for Democrats saying that he will listen to them when it comes to Social Security reform. But he didn't say anything about him raising taxes, only that nothing is off the table.

It is the way the article is written that is causing the problem. The article is typical of most news trash in that the writer obviously wants to be critical of McCain so he writes it in such a way as to cause an uproar. Just like you going off on the hand over the heart thing. This is nothing and doesn't make a whit of difference on what McCain will really do in office.

Obama will raise your taxes if he can push it through congress. McCain may sign off on a bill that raises your taxes, but not because it is what he wants to happen. Congress sends it to him in such a way that he basically has to sign it. That is the way things work in Washington and McCain is just acknowledging that.

[rwh11385]

If you think critically about his proposals and don't get caught up in initial rush of how good it sounds, you will start to see that his plan is nothing but propaganda to get the weak minded to vote for him (and like most Dem's, he thinks most of America is weak minded). He is trying to buy your vote.

Also pay attention to how many new government entities and administrations he wants to create. Then look at the horrible, horrible ideas he has for increased regulations and increased governmental control over businesses he wants to enact (all worded in ways to show you how he is really looking out for you when he really is finding ways to make YOU more dependent on government)

You can call bullshit to 95% of the "plans" he has on his site without even having to think too hard.:

yes. exactly.

[gwb72tii]

The big difference is - McCain's proposals change every hour on the hour.

A lot of the tax whiners are going to feel the cold, hard slap of reality in the coming years. Dubya has tax-cut us into the poorhouse (to the tune of $490 BILLION in '09).

ok, pls show me how tax cuts have ever "cost" the treasury, ie lowered taxes collected. seriously, please point me to the data that proves your point. wait, i'll save you time, cause all available data shows exactly the opposite. if you want to get into tax data, by all means. the "rich" today pay the largest % of taxes collected ever, under any president.

not voting for mccain because he changed positions on issues then means you obviously won't vote for O man either, right?

[rwh11385]

The big difference is - McCain's proposals change every hour on the hour.

I'm not looking for a free ride or a handout. I'm one of the few people in this country who will never whine about taxes. They are a necessary evil - whether people want to admit it or not.

A lot of the tax whiners are going to feel the cold, hard slap of reality in the coming years. Dubya has tax-cut us into the poorhouse (to the tune of $490 BILLION in '09).

Just today McCain reversed his stance on "NO NEW TAXES" and now says he "hasn't taken any options off the table".

It's a complete and total flip-flop.

That's not a flip-flop unless you are a simpleton. It's a realization that promises like that rule out extreme circumstances, but for 99% of the potential future of the nation - he most likely can be trusted not to raise taxes.

Tax cut us into the poorhouse... riiiiight. Tax revenues have been up, thanks t o Supply Side economics. You're welcome.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/81xx/doc8116/05-18-TaxRevenues.pdf

Growth in Federal Tax Revenues From 2003 to 2006
Total federal revenues grew by about $625 billion, or 35 percent, between fiscal year 2003 and fiscal year 2006.

2006 federal tax revenue: 2,407,018.4
The U.S. Federal Government collected $2,568 billion in FY2007


9/11 hits the world economy, bush tax cuts help...

lower tax rates, but more tax revenues you uneducated southerner!

[Ral]

Obama... McCain... Democrat... Republican... It makes no difference.

They're both owned by the same corporate global elite. These guys will do whatever Trilateral/Bilderberg/CFR tell them to do. Don't be fooled. The globalist agenda will move forward regardless of who is in any office.

You think the war in Iraq was Bush's idea? Think again.

dude take off the tinfoil. seriously. You look ridiculous.

[nando]

So I got the Washington State voter's pamphlet in yesterday - holeeeeshit. It was pretty easy to make up my mind on who to vote for (Rossi, Gregoire has GOT to go), but the other canidates? Where the hell did these people come from? They're all wack jobs, nazi-enviromentalists, anti-semitists, pot smoking dreamers or some other shit. How the hell did they get on the ballot? Seeing their "qualifications" makes me wonder if I shouldn't put my name on the ticket just to see what happens. "Graduated from high school. Artist, dreamer, construction worker". And you want to run an entire STATE? Damn!

Like I said before, something is really wrong with our system when all the canidates are as terrible as this. At least Rossi offers a shred of hope..

[nando]

That's not a flip-flop unless you are a simpleton. It's a realization that promises like that rule out extreme circumstances, but for 99% of the potential future of the nation - he most likely can be trusted not to raise taxes.

Tax cut us into the poorhouse... riiiiight. Tax revenues have been up, thanks t o Supply Side economics. You're welcome.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/81xx/doc8116/05-18-TaxRevenues.pdf

2006 federal tax revenue: 2,407,018.4
The U.S. Federal Government collected $2,568 billion in FY2007


9/11 hits the world economy, bush tax cuts help...

lower tax rates, but more tax revenues you uneducated southerner!

except recently - our federal road system will have a multibillion dollar shortfall this year because people are using less gas and the tax is flat per gallon (18 cents I think). They're talking about doing something else other than tying it to the gas tax to raise enough money. Of course the democrats didn't mind blowing another $8 billion dollars to fund them for a while. ;)

[Farbin Kaiber]

Obama... McCain... Democrat... Republican... It makes no difference.

They're both owned by the same corporate global elite. These guys will do whatever Trilateral/Bilderberg/CFR tell them to do. Don't be fooled. The globalist agenda will move forward regardless of who is in any office.

You think the war in Iraq was Bush's idea? Think again.

dude take off the tinfoil. seriously. You look ridiculous.

I'm with the guy in the tinfoil hat then. I have lost all respect in the elective system of the United States, I have been looking at this election as a changing of a CEO of a large Corperation, of which I am not a shareholding boardmember, nothing more. I will be voting, more for the "nostalgic" feeling of it then the concept that may say matters in this machine. I don't feel the need to disclose whom I'll vote for because I don't want someone to try and pick apart my above statment either.