Bush Impeachment Hearing

[Lair]

Mandatory spending, especially medicare is the problem:

Funny - your own graph shows that Clinton managed a surplus while taking care of all those elderly people you keep blaming Bush's record deficit on.

So should have Bush just not worried about homeland security? Should he have magically cut mandatory spending in order to do so? Raising taxes wouldn't have increased revenues to fight a war. You have no understanding on tax revenue do you?

As much as unintelligent liberals would to blame Bush, he is not the only branch of government. He has tried to control medicare costs but he cannot wave a wand and change the nation, there's Congress to worry about.

Bush Seeks Surplus via Medicare Cuts

Bush was the ony branch of government for 6 years. He had the backing of a Republican majority Congress, and he could have passed any legislation he wanted. He could have balanced the budget without throwing helpless sernior citizens under the bus.

Clinton did it.


Here's a graph for you:

[Lair]

there you go again, to quote Regean

tax collections rose during bush

get it?

further

no president has control

ever hear the phrase "the pres proposes, congress disposes"?

and here's a question

if spending is such an issue with you, who are you voting for? you've disqulified Obama obviously. so who?

Bush' republican Congress didn't dispose of shit while they had a majority for 6 years.

Tax collections rose, and spending rose even higher - exponentially higher.


I don't know who I'm voting for yet.

It really depends on VP choice. If either candidate selects a religious freak or other nutjob, I'm going the other direction.

I may even vote for Cynthia McKinney.

[Lair]

rightwing extremists? How do you know anyone other than yourself or your butt buddy are right or left wing? Whats worse than a right wing extremist..... left wing extremist? What exactly do you think you will be getting out of this rediculous discussion? Change 1 or 2 minds into something as crazy as yours? Come on.... get a life. Talk to someone who cares about what you have to say about all this BS coming from your cockholster. So you are telling me you live here to bitch about everything cause thats your freedom? You want to be a complainer all you life? I never have understood that point of view "I have the freedom to do whatever I want here, I hate this country" go screw yourself.

Nice drive by.

Come back when you can stay longer.

[Pinepig]

Funny - your own graph shows that Clinton managed a surplus while taking care of all those elderly people you keep blaming Bush's record deficit on.





Bush was the ony branch of government for 6 years. He had the backing of a Republican majority Congress, and he could have passed any legislation he wanted. He could have balanced the budget without throwing helpless sernior citizens under the bus.

Clinton did it.


Here's a graph for you:

I love it when uneducated morons bring up the Clinton surplus.

http://www.letxa.com/articles/16

This will lay it out for ya pretty good, stats taken from the US treasury.

[gwb72tii]

Tax collections rose, and spending rose even higher - exponentially higher.

this is not what you just said. you said revenues did not rise, and that kind of loose talk is what is getting you in trouble

[Aptyp]

No matter what the stats are, Clinton, economically, was one of the best presidents to ever sit in the oval office.

But by that chart, to defend the W, the drop off began in '99. Duba didn't take office until January of 2001. Also by that chart, the rise began in '91, Clinton didn't take office until January of 93.

Clinton's economy is great, but very complicated. Current administration didn't listen to Fed Res, until it was just freaking necessary.

That chart is also very general.

[Aptyp]

OH, even though the surplus was great, we were still trillions in debt. Clinton was trying to pay off debts. That was a huge reason why surplus dissapperad. Bush administration, tried it too, but with out greater surplus, it's like paying of credit card, with another credit card.

[rwh11385]

Funny - your own graph shows that Clinton managed a surplus while taking care of all those elderly people you keep blaming Bush's record deficit on.

Bush was the ony branch of government for 6 years. He had the backing of a Republican majority Congress, and he could have passed any legislation he wanted. He could have balanced the budget without throwing helpless sernior citizens under the bus.

Clinton did it.

Clinton had a Republican congress.

We wouldn't have deficits now if planes didn't hit towers and sent the WORLD into economic slowdown. And we wouldn't be spending as much now on tightening up airport security, etc. if Clinton did what he should have done according to the recommendations. We also wouldn't have likely gone into Afghanistan is the towers weren't hit, nor spend as much domestically on homeland security.

You're an idiot if you think Bush could have passed anything he wanted.

Tightening medicare costs (not paying more to take care of them then they have paid) is not throwing them under the bus.

[Lair]

this is not what you just said. you said revenues did not rise, and that kind of loose talk is what is getting you in trouble

Yes - I said "tax" revenues did not rise - which is true if you play the percentages game that you're so fond of.

Am in trouble? I don't FEEL like I'm in trouble.

[Lair]

No matter what the stats are, Clinton, economically, was one of the best presidents to ever sit in the oval office.

But by that chart, to defend the W, the drop off began in '99. Duba didn't take office until January of 2001. Also by that chart, the rise began in '91, Clinton didn't take office until January of 93.

Clinton's economy is great, but very complicated. Current administration didn't listen to Fed Res, until it was just freaking necessary.

That chart is also very general.

That's all I'm saying. If Bush knew wtf he was doing, he could have stopped the slide and reversed it - like Clinton did.

[Lair]

Clinton had a Republican congress.

We wouldn't have deficits now if planes didn't hit towers and sent the WORLD into economic slowdown. And we wouldn't be spending as much now on tightening up airport security, etc. if Clinton did what he should have done according to the recommendations. We also wouldn't have likely gone into Afghanistan is the towers weren't hit, nor spend as much domestically on homeland security.

You're an idiot if you think Bush could have passed anything he wanted.

Tightening medicare costs (not paying more to take care of them then they have paid) is not throwing them under the bus.

It's been six and a half years since those planes hit. When is Bush going to stop the bleeding? Is a recovery beyond his reach? Is it just that he's ignorant, or is it that he doesn't care about the economy OR Bin Laden?

The Towers were hit under Bush's watch, and we still haven't seen justice served to the man behind it.

At least Clinton was TRYING to catch OBL.

[rwh11385]

We wouldn't have deficits now if planes didn't hit towers and sent the WORLD into economic slowdown.

just in case you don't believe the statement, HERE ARE NUMBERS TO BACK UP MY CLAIM. try it sometime

[Lair]

Awesome.

Why hasn't Bush turned it around? His economic policies are BRILLIANT, but they haven't had much of a positive effect, have they?

How about the bail out he signed today? I guess the old "free market" deal doesn't apply these days, does it?

Bush signs housing bill to provide mortgage relief

By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 12 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - President Bush on Wednesday signed a massive housing bill intended to provide mortgage relief for 400,000 struggling homeowners and stabilize financial markets.

Bush signed the bill without any fanfare or signing ceremony, affixing his signature to the measure he once threatened to veto, in the Oval Office in the early morning hours. He was surrounded by top administration officials, including Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Housing Secretary Steve Preston.

"We look forward to put in place new authorities to improve confidence and stability in markets," White House spokesman Tony Fratto said. He said that the Federal Housing Administration would begin right away to implement new policies "intended to keep more deserving American families in their homes."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080730/ap_on_go_pr_wh/housing_bill

[Vedubin01]

Lair,

With all this big government bailouts, the unjust Iraq war, and the economic down turn of today.....has this affected you that badly personally and or economically?

[rwh11385]

Awesome.

Why hasn't Bush turned it around? His economic policies are BRILLIANT, but they haven't had much of a positive effect, have they?

How about the bail out he signed today? I guess the old "free market" deal doesn't apply these days, does it?

He has. But it's not instant. And the global market is much more complicated than your pathetic brain can handle. Exchange rate issues, and also outsourcing, and rising prices of oil and steel because of demand globally is changing the way we must be able to see the economy.

You're a moron for expecting instant huge change. Is that what Obama friends are HOPING for? A magic wand to create jobs and make the credit cards bills paid on time?

You're actually right about something, for the first time in this thread. Bush didn't follow laissez-faire doctrine and intervened in the economy. I guess it's hard to be fully "free market" and heartless sometimes, especially with people complaining to their congressmen.

Did Bush write the bill? Yes, he threatened to veto it, but Congress produced it and besides an ego reason and to stick unmoving to doctrine, there wasn't much reason not to sign it.

Yes, an intervene, but a bunch of factors were growing to make America ass fucked in the housing market - moron lenders, moron borrowers, etc. A larger financial / credit / housing crisis will only help to shake the economy, put people out of a home, and make it hard for them to focus on their jobs.

No one unfortunately has a magic wand to make the American public in general smarter when it comes to saving, borrowing, or getting themselves educated. I wouldn't blame the President for not being able to force people to be skilled or trained in something in demand, to make better financial decisions, etc.