All gas-powered сars are banned in California

[Vincenze]

The governor signed an executive order that requires all new cars and passenger trucks sold in California be zero-emission vehicles by the 2035 deadline.

Does it mean you won't be able to buy a used E30 in California?

Is it a democratic and progressive way of doing things in California?

[ZeKahr]

The governor signed an executive order that requires all new cars and passenger trucks sold in California be zero-emission vehicles by the 2035 deadline.

Does it mean you won't be able to buy a used E30 in California?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mar...rs-11600884700

No, it only bans sales of new gas-powered cars. You will still be able to buy a used gas-powered E30 in California in 2035, unless they amend the bill between now and then to forbid sales of used gas cars. But by then a good amount of E30s will probably be running on electric drive systems.

[Vincenze]

No, it only bans sales of new gas-powered cars. You will still be able to buy a used gas-powered E30 in California in 2035, unless they amend the bill between now and then to forbid sales of used gas cars. But by then a good amount of E30s will probably be running on electric drive systems.

I'm sure another law will prohibit non-electric cars to be operated in LA, SF, and SD.

[roguetoaster]

Guys, it's going to get challenged so hard from the Federal level, and from private industry that it'll be invalid before 2022.

[2mAn]

^^^^^ this

[ZeKahr]

I'm sure another law will prohibit non-electric cars to be operated in LA, SF, and SD.

Yes that will happen within a decade given the rate at which EV tech is advancing and dropping in price. LA in particular has a really bad smog problem and will prohibit gas car operation as soon as they see it feasible to do so. SF and SD will probably soon follow suit under the guise of fighting climate change or being environmentally friendly. NYC here on the East Coast will probably institute their own ban on the operation of gas-powered vehicles, after the cities in Cali.

[roguetoaster]

LOL you guys are silly, taxing the crap out of "polluting" vehicles so they can be owned or just enter certain areas is the next step, outright bans cost the state as they end up footing the bill for the new EV infrastructure. Think of the lost revenue versus the outlay. Heck, we might see the legislature overturn this one before the courts hook in to it.

But really, who cares, it's all play money anyway.

Also, EVs will probably stay pretty flat in cost for the next decade as the huge scale hasn't dramatically influenced prices as material supply can't quite keep up. Or maybe a few areas with key resources got wise and decided to mark up critical materials or outright restrict export to benefit their domestic markets.

[rturbo 930]

But by then a good amount of E30s will probably be running on electric drive systems.

That's a bold prediction. Considering the effort required to convert a car that was not built as an electric vehicle to electric, and the fact that electric vehicles are utterly soulless, vs the much beloved M20 and M42 engines that came in these cars, I seriously doubt that we will see electric conversions in any large numbers. While I do think electric has its place, particularly in cities, and in vehicles that do a lot of start and stop (postal vans, garbage trucks, etc), I'm not convinced that electric cars are so much better than gas or diesel cars that they are absolutely the replacement for such vehicles.

[2mAn]

LA in particular has a really bad smog problem and will prohibit gas car operation as soon as they see it feasible to do so. SF and SD will probably soon follow suit under the guise of fighting climate change or being environmentally friendly. NYC here on the East Coast will probably institute their own ban on the operation of gas-powered vehicles, after the cities in Cali.

Tell me more about what its like to live in my city...

Also, I like how you lump SF and SD together, they are worlds different in so many ways

A+ clickbait thread though, nice to see there are real people here still

[Vincenze]

LAPD leased electric BMWs.
But it seems that regular policemen use only their Ford Explorers, not the most nature-friendly vehicles. And helicopters, of course.

They are for sale now.
The original price was $43,000.
After 3 years, a 9,500-mile car costs $17,268.

Not everybody is rich enough to lose $26,000 in 3 years.

[roguetoaster]

Tell me more about what its like to live in my city...

Also, I like how you lump SF and SD together, they are worlds different in so many ways

A+ clickbait thread though, nice to see there are real people here still

All real threads should now hide behind spammy titles. This one could be CA Gov. Wants to Take UR V8 - Click 4 More.

[Vincenze]

A+ clickbait thread though, nice to see there are real people here still

It's a correct thread title, though.

As many municipalities start to ban gasoline cars, their development is stopping.

The M50 engine was the pinnacle of good BMW engines. Now, BMW cares only about mileage and green laws while developing new engines.

[roguetoaster]

It's a correct thread title, though.

As many municipalities start to ban gasoline cars, their development is stopping.

The M50 engine was the pinnacle of good BMW engines. Now, BMW cares only about mileage and green laws while developing new engines.

No. Are banned implies currently. Writing new ones to ve would be correct.

No, just no. ICEs are likely here globally in great numbers for 20 to 50 years more and will require updating to extract more performance and environmental friendliness.

No, just no.

[ZeKahr]

Also, EVs will probably stay pretty flat in cost for the next decade as the huge scale hasn't dramatically influenced prices as material supply can't quite keep up. Or maybe a few areas with key resources got wise and decided to mark up critical materials or outright restrict export to benefit their domestic markets.

Tesla just yesterday unveiled a new battery design (the 4680 cell) that will literally cost around $75/kWh by 2022 (down from ~$150k/kWh today) and gets to that price point by using more affordable and more abundant materials as well as more streamlined manufacturing processes. Batteries are pretty much the only reason electric cars cost an arm and a leg today. A Chinese firm, Kandi, is already selling an EV in the United States that costs ~ $10k with government rebates; yes it's an ugly looking cheaply built POS, but so were the first US-market Toyotas and Hondas in the 1970s and by the 1990s those cheap Japanese tin cans were best sellers. The fact that the Chinese can already manage to sell an electric car at that price point in a country with all sorts of crazy automobile regulations, which drive up prices, just goes to show where things with EV prices are headed. The companies invested in developing EV technology aren't going to sit on their butts and let the prices for things like batteries and cars flatten out. They know that consumers and governments all around the world of different socioeconomic backgrounds are excited and hungry for EVs for various reasons and they are going to do everything they can to get EVs into as many hands as possible. It'll be SSD vs HDD prices all over again.

That's a bold prediction. Considering the effort required to convert a car that was not built as an electric vehicle to electric, and the fact that electric vehicles are utterly soulless, vs the much beloved M20 and M42 engines that came in these cars, I seriously doubt that we will see electric conversions in any large numbers. While I do think electric has its place, particularly in cities, and in vehicles that do a lot of start and stop (postal vans, garbage trucks, etc), I'm not convinced that electric cars are so much better than gas or diesel cars that they are absolutely the replacement for such vehicles.

I agree with you that converting a gas-powered car to electric drive today requires a lot of effort, but that won't be the same case 10-20 years from now when batteries and motors will be significantly more compact and more energy dense than they are today, off-the-shelf mounting hardware will be more readily available, and conversion techniques will be more documented/established. Technology in today's day and age advances and miniaturizes faster today than it ever did in the past because new tech is built on top of existing tech; in 2000 if you wanted to send an email to someone on the other side of the globe, you needed to be in a building with either a bulky laptop or a desktop. By 2010 it could be done on a phone with a screen the size of your hand.

And yes electric motors are soulless compared to an M20 or M42, but that doesn't change the fact that they are virtually maintenance free and significantly more reliable due to the lack of moving parts. The people that are into E30s today will not be the same type of people that will be into them in a decade or two. By then E30s will go in the same direction as many other classic cars have, in that people will buy them to be seen in them (and yes they will have non-vanity reasons as to why they picked an E30 but there's a reason the term "headturner" exists in the classic car world). Many of those buyers do not want to put up with all of the headaches of an ICE (esp a 30+ year old one) like doing fluid changes, worrying about whether it will start up or overheat, dealing with leaking hoses and gaskets, etc. They just want a nice-looking classic car that will be able to get some attention and compliments from other people that can also be reliable as daily transportation (provided the buyers aren't overly worried about safety). It's alright if you think electric cars aren't the replacement for gas/diesel ones, but you're in a minority compared to the average Toyota-owning Joe who hates having to remember doing so much as an oil change just to keep his engine working correctly.

[Northern]

The governor signed an executive order that requires all new cars and passenger trucks sold in California be zero-emission vehicles by the 2035 deadline.

Does it mean you won't be able to buy a used E30 in California?

Reading comprehension?