Marijuana

[carfantiti]

Its legal in washington!

[chadthestampede]

Tragedy~

Last year a old man pulled out in front of a harley. The harley hit his little prius square in the door going maybe 60- nearly crushed him through the door of the prius. Rider and him both had to get the helicopter lift out- not sure if anyone died.

Middle of the day so I doubt they were drinking/high. At what point does old age equal inability to drive?

My grandmother drove for 30 years without a license.

Laws are just words on paper- and they are meant to be made/changed/deleted as necessary. We tried prohibition with the liquor and that didn't go over too well- we are trying it with marijuana and it also doesn't seem to be working great.

If we aren't careful with all this law-changin they are going to allow women and blacks the right to vote.

I believe this is what we call a ignoratio elenchi.

[Thizzelle]

Legalize it, and tax the hell out of it. Penalties for driving under the influence should reflect those of alcohol.

you can't tell if someone is high on weed unless they confess to it

[z31maniac]

you can't tell if someone is high on weed unless they confess to it

Are you 15?

[acolella76]

l o l

[M-technik-3]

At what THC level are you incapable of operating a vehicle or other type of mechanical equipment? And how do you want type of test do you want, Urine or Blood? Both need to be done at a laboratory correct.

[Q5Quint]

At what level of sleepyness, or old age, or drunkness should you not operate a vehicle or machinery?

That is just an arbitrarily defined number.

Even if you cant 'prove' it in a lab a driver could have still been 'impaired' because his girlfriend was sexting him on his celly phone, or he had been working all day and was sleepy. You shouldn't drive and do other stuff because it makes you drive worse.

It may be harder to bring up in court because there may not be a highness-test, or a sleepyness test, but that doesn't mean that it will be thrown out as general operator negligence.

When there is a highness test we will just pick a number... like .08 .... and that will be that. Some of us might be blazed out of our minds and visiting the gods of other dimensions at that level, and some people might not even notice others are even high.... Just like with booze.

People do stupid stuff, and they shouldn't. You need something in place legally to help keep stupid people from stupidly hurting others. Some thing we should also include themselves, since obama would have to foot the bill if they went to the hospital (seatbelts, helmets, smoking etc), but that is a separate argument.

[Dozyproductions]

I have MJ to thank for helping me save myself when my anti depressants were making me suicidal. The legal drugs I were taking made me want to kill myself. The drug that is illegal saved me. This system is screwed up.

[tjts1]

you can't tell if someone is high on weed unless they confess to it

LOL keep telling yourself that stoner boy.

[Ayman]

LOL keep telling yourself that stoner boy.

No its true. Some eyedrops and body spray and you're good to go. Beginners are a different story though cause they trip out when they start smoking

[kickinindian]

you can't tell if someone is high on weed unless they confess to it

No its true. Some eyedrops and body spray and you're good to go. Beginners are a different story though cause they trip out when they start smoking

:pimp:

[Ayman]

Stick a joint in it you dumb fuck.

[Thizzelle]

I got allergies, boom convo over. many reasons to give why. And no I don't smoke weed I just know how to play the law. Sister is a lawyer and tells me all the tricks that dumb people don't know. Most people convict themselves in many situations.
It's not what you know, it's what you can prove and seeing someone looking high doesn't prove them to be high.

[saturnv7890]

I got allergies, boom convo over. many reasons to give why. And no I don't smoke weed I just know how to play the law. Sister is a lawyer and tells me all the tricks that dumb people don't know. Most people convict themselves in many situations.
It's not what you know, it's what you can prove and seeing someone looking high doesn't prove them to be high.

I'm not sure you were acutally trying to make a point here? (I found it difficult to understand)



My opinion: Live and let live.

I smoked for about a year, then stopped and realized how much life improved for me, but that was just me. Some people enjoy it, I did at the time, so why deprive them of that? It's not like they'll hurt anyone, might as well legalize it so they can stop bothering us about it.

[coldweatherblue]

re: driving. certainly the level of intoxication with MJ/ETOH varies between experienced and novice users.

You should not drive impaired.

i've had plenty of patients with alcohol levels greater than 400 who are walking/talking, etc.. they've worked really hard at drinking and are good at it..

same with stoners as said above.

however a few of the studies I've seen comparing EtOH to MJ intox effect on driving show less dose dependence w/ MJ and overall less judgement/reflex effects.

example:

“Overall, it is possible to conclude that cannabis has a measurable effect on psychomotor performance, particularly tracking ability. Its effect on higher cognitive functions, for example divided attention tasks associated with driving, appear not to be as critical. Drivers under the influence of cannabis seem aware that they are impaired, and attempt to compensate for this impairment by reducing the difficulty of the driving task, for example by driving more slowly.

In terms of road safety, it cannot be concluded that driving under the influence of cannabis is not a hazard, as the effects of various aspects of driver performance are unpredictable. However, in comparison with alcohol, the severe effects of alcohol on the higher cognitive processes of driving are likely to make this more of a hazard, particularly at higher blood alcohol levels.”

from Sexton et al. 2000. The influence of cannabis on driving: A report prepared for the UK Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions (Road Safety Division)

However MJ doesn't have a reliable quantifiable test like alcohol does. IMO if they want to bust cannabis drivers they should use a clinically validated sobriety test to get DWI, not urine or blood tests..