The Damn Catholic Church...

[LBJefferies]

Who else finds it funny that the Pope is going to Hell?

[Schnitzer318is]

^Going to have to respectfully agree to disagree then. As I've said in almost every post in this thread, I can totally see why people "need" religion and I in no way begrudge them that. Not going to call people names for their beliefs.

What I was saying is that you (and most) religious individuals can't see the other side of the coin, which you so ummm eloquently pointed out in the previous post. Not sure where you were going with the whole millionaire thing? I was in no way preaching to you, which it seems you are implying.

Bleh, I've allowed myself to type to much. Again, believe what you will and I totally respect that. Honestly, while I can disagree, at least I can do so with civility. Frankly, I'm just disgusted that most can't. In one sentance they can claim to be more enlightened than you yet all it's bought them is a smug, self satisfied religious tendancy. Can't see the forest for the trees.

I agree with you that most don't disagree with civility (lol just read the posts in this sub forum). Just commenting that reading your post, it comes off as one the people you are talking about.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Being as he is the second to last pope before the end of the Catholic Church, as is in prophesy.

[ck_taft325is]

^Going to have to respectfully agree to disagree then. As I've said in almost every post in this thread, I can totally see why people "need" religion and I in no way begrudge them that. Not going to call people names for their beliefs.

What I was saying is that you (and most) religious individuals can't see the other side of the coin, which you so ummm eloquently pointed out in the previous post. Not sure where you were going with the whole millionaire thing? I was in no way preaching to you, which it seems you are implying.



I agree with you that most don't disagree with civility (lol just read the posts in this sub forum). Just commenting that reading your post, it comes off as one the people you are talking about.

I'll be the first to admit sometimes I start typing and have to re-read what I typed to figure out where my train of thought was really going. Specially while I'm on cold medicine.

What side of the coin is that exactly? Honestly, from the "religious" side, I could say you do the same by claiming there's a negative in "need" or to imply that you don't "need" religion. Of course when you look at the bulk of Christianity, you see broken, hurt, struggling people. Because those that think they have it figured out are some of the biggest bigots and feel they are above religion, or in other words, better than those that attend Church and claim Christianity as their hope, salvation and life. The issue comes not even in this, beyond showing how much of an ass people can be towards others, but in claiming that those that are Christian's or believe in God are illogical, stupid, ignorant, etc, etc... Or to illogically claim that Faith disqualifies those beliefs from topics of Politics, Social Economics and the like. To claim that someone should leave possible that most important piece of them which guides their moral actions behind is cruel at best and unreasonable in the extreme.

[markseven]

The answer comes down to; Nothing, and nothing. The only thing that "erradicates" all your sin is the blood of Christ. The New Testament is just that, a new deal with us from God, so that his requirement of Perfection can be accepted as old law, Jesus paid the price to open the new law. Faith in him alone is the requirement, we are all sinners, and will always be. I cuss, drink, do drugs, talk bad about people, etc. All the things that the "Church" says are sins..... Duh. I guess they didn't get the memo. Sins are not what salvation is about, "Church" wants to hold you down, make you feel as if you are a bad person, and only your good gets you in.

God is not looking for Perfection, he already has that, he is surrounded by angels and sits in Heaven. He is looking for trust, the one thing he cannot create in you because of free will. Trust in him and everything else will fall by the wayside.

Hey Farmin, l think you are a cool guy - I am not posting this in an attempt to tear you down or belittle your beliefs. It’s awesome that you are aware of the power in the living blood of Christ and His work on the cross, bearing our sin and overcoming death and the grave upon His resurrection. We are both sinners, so please take this as a simple communication between brothers in Christ.


According to your belief system, it’s okay to “cuss, drink, do drugs, talk bad about people, etc”, because Jesus forgave our sins on the cross.

1. What do you consider a sin?
2. Do you ask for forgiveness after you have sinned? Christ requires repentance with a contrite heart in order to be forgiven. Repentance means to “turn away from”, meaning you will try your best to not commit that sin again.
3. Where do you draw the line? Could you steal or murder and not be held accountable?
4. Can you break any of the Ten Commandments and go on your way without a second thought?

The Lord hates sin. If we are to be close to Him and filled with His Holy Spirit, we must be clean vessels (as sinners we always call short, however, the Lord knows our human condition and readily reinstates us into grace upon repentance, and He knows when we are truly repentant).

In Romans 6:1-14, Paul writes:
Dead to Sin, Alive to God

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

[HarryPotter]

What the fuck are you talking about? I don't care about your other posts. I was replying the the one that said "the earth was created 4,000 years ago, FACT!"

I am clearly against religion so would you possibly assume that that was sarcasm based off my other posts?

[Farbin Kaiber]

Hey Farmin, l think you are a cool guy - I am not posting this in an attempt to tear you down or belittle your beliefs. It’s awesome that you are aware of the power in the living blood of Christ and His work on the cross, bearing our sin and overcoming death and the grave upon His resurrection. We are both sinners, so please take this as a simple communication between brothers in Christ.


According to your belief system, it’s okay to “cuss, drink, do drugs, talk bad about people, etc”, because Jesus forgave our sins on the cross.

1. What do you consider a sin?
2. Do you ask for forgiveness after you have sinned? Christ requires repentance with a contrite heart in order to be forgiven. Repentance means to “turn away from”, meaning you will try your best to not commit that sin again.
3. Where do you draw the line? Could you steal or murder and not be held accountable?
4. Can you break any of the Ten Commandments and go on your way without a second thought?

The Lord hates sin. If we are to be close to Him and filled with His Holy Spirit, we must be clean vessels (as sinners we always call short, however, the Lord knows our human condition and readily reinstates us into grace upon repentance, and He knows when we are truly repentant).

In Romans 6:1-14, Paul writes:
Dead to Sin, Alive to God

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

I was making examples of socially assumed/accepted sins that have been committed by me that have no bearing in my spiritual eternal livelihood. It's not my belief system that allows me to do those things, as you've assumed I stated, whereas I am making the implication that those things are not the stones with which will be used to weigh my "worthyness", but events that have occurred in my lifetime.

I don't worry about the Ten Commandments, it's childish to worry about 10 rules, but not to follow the entire Levitical code. Falling short is falling short. Following the Ten Commandments is a cop-out. Because, if you have a beard, or don't have a beard, or fuck your wife during her period, or eat of the cloven hooves beast, etc.

I focus on one thing, my faith in him and his plan, I don't pain myself by taking my eyes away from his plan and looking upon myself, when He is what really matters. As I become more filled in the Spirit, of course those "negative" things will fall by the wayside, but that is his doing, not mine.

[ck_taft325is]

I was making examples of socially assumed/accepted sins that have been committed by me that have no bearing in my spiritual eternal livelihood. It's not my belief system that allows me to do those things, as you've assumed I stated, whereas I am making the implication that those things are not the stones with which will be used to weigh my "worthyness", but events that have occurred in my lifetime.

I don't worry about the Ten Commandments, it's childish to worry about 10 rules, but not to follow the entire Levitical code. Falling short is falling short. Following the Ten Commandments is a cop-out. Because, if you have a beard, or don't have a beard, or fuck your wife during her period, or eat of the cloven hooves beast, etc.

I focus on one thing, my faith in him and his plan, I don't pain myself by taking my eyes away from his plan and looking upon myself, when He is what really matters. As I become more filled in the Spirit, of course those "negative" things will fall by the wayside, but that is his doing, not mine.

[markseven]

I was making examples of socially assumed/accepted sins that have been committed by me that have no bearing in my spiritual eternal livelihood. It's not my belief system that allows me to do those things, as you've assumed I stated, whereas I am making the implication that those things are not the stones with which will be used to weigh my "worthyness", but events that have occurred in my lifetime.

I don't worry about the Ten Commandments, it's childish to worry about 10 rules, but not to follow the entire Levitical code. Falling short is falling short. Following the Ten Commandments is a cop-out. Because, if you have a beard, or don't have a beard, or fuck your wife during her period, or eat of the cloven hooves beast, etc.

A large part of the old Testament is about the Lord's character. He is the same yesterday, today and forever; the sin He hated then is the sin he hates today. We are no longer under the Law, but under Grace, however, Grace doesn't mean we can ignore the Law.

I focus on one thing, my faith in him and his plan, I don't pain myself by taking my eyes away from his plan and looking upon myself, when He is what really matters.

I couldn't agree more :D

As I become more filled in the Spirit, of course those "negative" things will fall by the wayside, but that is his doing, not mine.

You can make a choice to become a clean vessel. Sure, the Holy Spirit will dwell in you no matter what, as Christ said He would never leave us. But I liken it to inviting a guest to stay with you but making them live in a dirty bathroom. They may do it for a day or two, but if you make no effort to improve their living conditions, they'll leave. Same with the Holy Spirit. Engaging in repetitive, premeditated sin is a sure way to show the Spirit that He is not a priority in your life.

Don't let the evil one sell you a pack of lies. The Lord is clear as to what He expects of His children...

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ - Matthew 7:21-23

[markseven]

I didn't read the whole thread, but since I am posting here, I figure I'll put in my $.02:

the Catholic Church: a haven for child rapists, pedophiles and perverts... and management turns a blind eye, just shuffling and covering up. The lowest form of filth in existence.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Well, if you like to only work from the NKJV, I guess that works, but there are so many other translations...




Matt 7:23

Contemporary English Version - But I will tell them, "I will have nothing to do with you! Get out of my sight, you evil people!"

New International Version - Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

American Standard Version - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Wycliffe New Testament - And then I shall acknowledge to them, That I knew you never; depart away from me, ye that work wickedness.

Holman Christian Standard Bible - Then I will announce to them, 'I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!

Amplified Bible - And then I will say to them openly, I never knew you; depart from Me, you who act wickedly

So, it seems that depending on what translation you "subscribe" to, there could be many differences...


If we go to other languages, our beloved German, we get

Luther Bible 1545 - Dann werde ich ihnen bekennen: Ich habe euch noch nie erkannt; weichet alle von mir, ihr Übeltäter!

übeltäter translates to culprit.



And finally, the KJV

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.




To me he is saying, it is not your works that count, It does not matter what you try to bring to the table, bringing anything to the table is a failing grade.


I'll close this post with this;

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

[markseven]

I'll close this post with this;

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Then we wouldn't need the rest of the Good Book or His Spirit, or His intervention in any way. No matter what, your in.

[87e30]

It's this right here that gets me about religion. These interpretation differences supposedly determine my life for eternity? No thanks.

[LBJefferies]

It's this right here that gets me about religion. These interpretation differences supposedly determine my life for eternity? No thanks.

Yeah and what's even more ridiculous is that you're supposed to take it as God's word and thus infallible yet no one seems to agree on anything. Confusing huh?

I have no problem with spirituality and belief in God but when people claim to know exactly what God is and what he want's, etc. is when I have a problem. This is exactly what the Bible and organized religion do and then they try to force it on you.

I fucking hate religion. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, it's all the same bullshit to me.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Then we wouldn't need the rest of the Good Book or His Spirit, or His intervention in any way. No matter what, your in.

If you want to take it to that point it's fine, I don't relate as to how you figure.

And the one's that really know, knows just how much harder just faithing in the fact of his existence is much harder than just following rules. The real tests come down to try that faith, and most of the time they aren't bug bites, but events that shake you to your core.

It's a whole lot more of a test by him to "believe" (to Faithe) when you are stuck in a body cast, with your family gone in a car wreck than it is to see if you can go your life without using curse words.

He formed the worlds, put your name in the book, has control of your life, and decided before you were ever born, and he is coming back for you. I'll leave the rest to him.

And if you'd like to get specific, it also says the thought is as bad as the deed, so, if you think of anger/madness to the guy that cut you off, it's just like breaking valued commandment #5 or #6, depending on which organization you subscribe to.

(Matthew 5:21 reference above...)