Gays in the military.

[xwill112x]

im a homophobe bc i dont want any faggit to be eye fucking me everytime my back is turned.

[ck_taft325is]

It's a non-issue so long as, which many of you have said, they stay professional. It's no different than a Military guy harrasing a Military gal that is obviously not interested. It should be dealt with, and swiftly. Preferably, by peers. I've got a buddy who was harrased in boot camp by a rude, pushy, gay comrade. So much so that after several reports and nothing happening (this is WA afterall) to correct or make amends in this "don't ask, don't tell" environment, he punched the dude out after a poorly timed ass grabbing during the shower. He was nearly discharged because of it.

We can all agree that it's a non-issue so far as keeping it professional. Even being close "brothers" in battle has nothing to do with where you stick your johnson. But, when a gay dude pushes HIS sexual indescretions on someone that doesn't share them, it's the same or at least should be treated the same, as a straight guy forcing himself on a woman. Don't get me wrong, a dude throwing fist's with another dude who grabbed his ass is way different than a guy raping a woman as there are physical limitations. The principle is roughly the same though.

All that said, I've got 100% no problem with it. If they want to serve, do so. I'll salute you and be proud that you did.

I have more a problem with guys that serve and get all ass hurt ('eh?) about boot camp. It's supposed to be hard.

[Dagamus(NM)]

I agree with you 100%

[Hallen]

This is a non-issue

Like you have any idea...

Gay men and women in the US should be treated as equal. I don't get the whole marriage, adoption and military issues with this. They are taxpayers too, so give them the same rights, and the same opportunities towards happiness that hetero's get.

They already have exactly the same rights as everybody else.

There's much most of you don't understand about the military.

You give up a lot of personal rights when you join. You are required by law to follow the lawful orders of your superious. In civilian life, you can just tell your boss to stuff it. Sure, you'll get fired, but you won't end up in the stockade.

There's a lot some of you are overlooking about the military and the government. There won't be "shared" showers. There will be gay male showers, gay female showers, no wait, the gay men will have to shower with the straight females... no wait, it'll have to be...

There will certainly have to be separate housing. There is never enough of that, so the straight soldiers will end up paying the price by having to triple and quadrupedal up in the space left. That is exactly what happened when women started joining in large numbers once they opened up all the different jobs for them. It was still that way when I was in. Women got rooms to themselves, a lot more shower availability and access to more amenities than the men. It was lack of resources that caused the problem, not the women.

Yeah, it's a mess. The point is, DADT is a policy that removes the barriers, yet doesn't make a horrible mess of things. The military should look at relaxing the rules about if you are found out, as long as it is not a harassment or flagrant violation. That's all fine. But if you think there won't be massive and perpetual problems with openly serving, then you very naive.

Just like your political beliefs, often religious beliefs, your sense of dignity at times, and a lot of other things must be kept to yourself while you are in. It's required. It's not like gays are the only ones who must hide part of what they are, we all have to. It's just that the gays have a powerful lobby and it is fashionable to think that gays don't have as many rights as the rest of us. It's not true, but it's what people like to think because they have been told it is true.

[joshh]

What I find funny about this issue is it's by far the gays that are making a stink about the fact they want to be able to flaunt their gayness at every corner. Not the straight people complaning.

[Arems87e]

Hellen, WOOW you said every single thought i have on this issue. To be precise, you ABSOLUTELY nailed it.....Well Said Sir

[mar1t1me]

With this being a reality, I don't see how the military can afford to chase off a viable candidate because of sexual orientation, as long as that individual conducts himself/herself in accordance with the rules.

Hallen, well put.

[Ral]

sums up my own thoughts very well:

Our buddy Professor Bruce Fleming has an article out in the Baltimore Sun about DADT.

I support repeal of DADT - but the only real reservation I have is that given its history - Big Navy will put the Diversity Bullies in charge of implementing it and as a result, will create more bad blood than needed.

At the end of the article, Professor Fleming finds a middle-ground of truth that, if it is wise, those charged with implementing the repeal will hoist on-board.

[from the Baltimore Sun] "Many straight boys simply need to have explained to them that not all gay men want them sexually. There is no evidence that gays are more likely to be rapists than straights are; and everybody can learn not to act on whatever s/he is thinking or feeling during working hours. However, there are situations where sexual orientation would pose a problem, and the military would be wise to acknowledge this.

Advice to the civilians: Lose your exasperation with those in the military who are trying to say why they think integrating openly gay service members will be difficult. Instead, listen to them. We may be able to address some of their concerns; some may simply have to be acknowledged. But even just saying, "Yep, you're right. We'll have to deal with these problems as they arise" is better than saying: "Shut up, you racist, homophobic chauvinist." That's what the military — becoming the enforcer of its civilian masters — will certainly say. Stand by for the drop in morale."

Sadly - I am afraid we will hear the later more than the former. Just look at what happened with Prop8 in CA. The fringe often drowns out the sensible center.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-ending-dont-ask-dont-tell-20100419,0,1120964.story

[decay]

So you're okay with "don't ask don't tell"?

It will always be an issue. Just one Liberals want to ignore and one conservatives have a problem with, justifiably.

conservatives who aren't serving in the military really don't have a good reason to give a fuck, do they?

i don't give a fuck either, as long as everyone does their job.

the last barracks i lived in had individual-stall showers. what a concept!

[E30 Cabrio]

The "Gay Mafia" as I jokingly call them are politicizing this issue and don't care one bit about the military.

Just like "Gay Marriage", 99% of the LGBT community do not plan on joining the military or getting married - they just want to have something to stamp their feet about and throw a hissy fit over and whine about their rights.

You have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex, just like I do, so STFU

As for the military, it's serious business, not some social experiment and/or issue to politicize to advance their agenda.

[Anthrax]

We don´t have separate showers for men and women in the swedsh military.
The novelty of the nudeness tends to wear off after a couple of months.

[HarryPotter]

We don´t have separate showers for men and women in the swedsh military.
The novelty of the nudeness tends to wear off after a couple of months.

Need to upload some cell pics.

[Anthrax]

Sorry dude. My time as a conscript was before cellphone cameras.

[Kershaw]

^ haha. europe is a completely different ballgame. in germany its ok to sunbathe nude in city parks. that would cause a riot in the usa. europe has this whole, "i dont give a fuck what you do as long as it doesnt involve me" deal going on. the usa is more like, "i dont care if i never witness it, if you do it behind closed doors it still greatly upsets me and im going to litigate against you for it."

im sure at some point some gay dude has seen my ass or dick in the pool changing room or when i was at OCS. but guess what? i dont give a fuck. as long as he keeps his hands to himself, we're not going to have problems. its the same for chicks too. i dont tolerate random chicks walking up to me and grabbing on me either.

also, guess what? homosexuals are less likely to be rapists than hetereosexuals! by a huuuge margin. also, hetereosexuals are far more likely to be pedophiles.

dont ask, dont tell is fine by me. but i dont think one should be discharged from the military if 10 years into their career someone finds out that they are gay. get the fuck over it and carry on with business like normal. is he fucking other guys in his office? no. so stfu.

i also dont care if gays get married. its not my problem. it doesnt affect me any. why the fuck should i dictate what other people do if it doesnt affect me?



aannd lasstly

im a homophobe bc i dont want any faggit to be eye fucking me everytime my back is turned.

you might want to start stocking up on anal lube and condoms. and investing in HIV treatment companies. you're probably gay.

[decay]

Just like "Gay Marriage", 99% of the LGBT community do not plan on joining the military or getting married - they just want to have something to stamp their feet about and throw a hissy fit over and whine about their rights.

hmm. i wonder why that is.

maybe it's the mention in our country's founding document- the declaration of independence- that says everyone is equal and we all have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

ya think?