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  • mar1t1me
    E30 Modder
    • Sep 2009
    • 863

    #76
    Originally posted by mrsleeve
    really Lincoln did not give 2 shits about slavery. It was a political move to garner support from the north. Even the history channel supports this (amazing I know). to think other wise really shows your highschool civics understanding of history again
    I must disagree somewhat. In his writings he appeared quite passionate about his distaste for slavery:

    Slavery is founded in the selfishness of man's nature -- opposition to it is in his love of justice. These principles are an eternal antagonism; and when brought into collision so fiercely, as slavery extension brings them, shocks, and throes, and convulsions must ceaselessly follow. Repeal the Missouri Compromise -- repeal all compromises -- repeal the declaration of independence -- repeal all past history, you still can not repeal human nature. It still will be the abundance of man's heart, that slavery extension is wrong; and out of the abundance of his heart, his mouth will continue to speak. -1854

    And this:

    I have always hated slavery, I think as much as any Abolitionist.

    Just sayin'.....that sounds like at least two shits.

    And just because there were other factors that launched the Civil War, it didn't keep Lincoln from blaming the whole thing on the issue of slavery at his 2nd term Inauguration:

    One eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the Southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was, somehow, the cause of the war.




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    • mrsleeve
      I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
      • Mar 2005
      • 16385

      #77
      Originally posted by mar1t1me
      I must disagree somewhat. In his writings he appeared quite passionate about his distaste for slavery:

      Slavery is founded in the selfishness of man's nature -- opposition to it is in his love of justice. These principles are an eternal antagonism; and when brought into collision so fiercely, as slavery extension brings them, shocks, and throes, and convulsions must ceaselessly follow. Repeal the Missouri Compromise -- repeal all compromises -- repeal the declaration of independence -- repeal all past history, you still can not repeal human nature. It still will be the abundance of man's heart, that slavery extension is wrong; and out of the abundance of his heart, his mouth will continue to speak. -1854

      And this:

      I have always hated slavery, I think as much as any Abolitionist.

      Just sayin'.....that sounds like at least two shits.

      And just because there were other factors that launched the Civil War, it didn't keep Lincoln from blaming the whole thing on the issue of slavery at his 2nd term Inauguration:

      One eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the Southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was, somehow, the cause of the war.




      Like I told h0lmes I will consed he didnt like it, so maybe 2 shits was the wrong euphemism. But he was no abolitionist, if he was, he never would have been elected ever.

      and the blame game for political gain, was no different then, than it is today. It was total political pandering to gain the industrial and military support of the north. Nothing more nothing less
      Originally posted by Fusion
      If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
      The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


      The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
      William Pitt-

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      • Restoman
        E30 Fanatic
        • Jun 2006
        • 1311

        #78
        Lincoln only freed the slaves because he lost a bet.
        i'lldoitforacaravan

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        • Restoman
          E30 Fanatic
          • Jun 2006
          • 1311

          #79
          Something about if Andrew Jackson's dick could touch his asshole. I dunno, guess we had to be there.
          i'lldoitforacaravan

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          • wildstoats
            E30 Modder
            • Sep 2007
            • 896

            #80
            Originally posted by AlpineE30M52
            Soooo should we revolt?
            $500, Diamantschwarz, and a Dream

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            • gwb72tii
              No R3VLimiter
              • Nov 2005
              • 3864

              #81
              Originally posted by dvs909
              is it illegal for states to detach themselves from the union?
              no it isn't and some states such as texas have reserved the right to do so at any time
              btw - texas is self-sustaining as a stand alone country
              “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
              Sir Winston Churchill

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              • Turf1600
                R3V OG
                • Nov 2006
                • 9815

                #82
                I hate to say it - but if texas seceded I'd just have to move. It's simply too religious and closed minded here.
                "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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                • Wiglaf
                  E30 Mastermind
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 1513

                  #83
                  lol, so true. Arrogant too. Half the other states would have sanctions on them within 5 years. :p
                  sigpic
                  Originally posted by u3b3rg33k
                  If you ever sell that car, tell me first. I want to be the first to not be able to afford it.

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                  • Naplm00
                    E30 Mastermind
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 1573

                    #84
                    Why revolt?

                    If you dont like it here then leave! Go to canada, they need more whiny bitches...lol
                    88 325ic ~~~> Rusty and ugly
                    85 E ~~~> RIP

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                    • mrsleeve
                      I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 16385

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Naplm00
                      Why revolt?

                      If you dont like it here then leave! Go to canada, they need more whiny bitches...lol


                      You do know canada is worse than it is here in just about every way right. from protected free speech, to crappy H.C., higher taxes, gun rights.

                      Oh wait your from Jersey, your right it is better for you then.
                      Originally posted by Fusion
                      If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                      The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                      The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                      William Pitt-

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                      • Naplm00
                        E30 Mastermind
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 1573

                        #86
                        Originally posted by mrsleeve
                        You do know canada is worse than it is here in just about every way right. from protected free speech, to crappy H.C., higher taxes, gun rights.

                        Oh wait your from Jersey, your right it is better for you then.


                        Then go to mexico...I know how you guys love being around "minororities"


                        And I live in NY now, so taxes are a bit lower
                        88 325ic ~~~> Rusty and ugly
                        85 E ~~~> RIP

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                        • mrsleeve
                          I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 16385

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Naplm00

                          And I live in NY now, so taxes are a bit lower
                          Now thats a statement about NJ

                          And mexico is too hot for me, I dont do heat so good.
                          Originally posted by Fusion
                          If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                          The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                          The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                          Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                          William Pitt-

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                          • Naplm00
                            E30 Mastermind
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 1573

                            #88
                            everyone has to grow up sometime...

                            pump fists not gas!
                            88 325ic ~~~> Rusty and ugly
                            85 E ~~~> RIP

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                            • mrsleeve
                              I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 16385

                              #89
                              Originally posted by Naplm00

                              pump fists not gas!
                              1st time I was ever in jesery this was an issue for me. Nearly got thrown outta the state Was on 94 just a little north of I80. But the stupid little girl was trying to put gas in my diesel pick up, needless to say I fliped out and pumped my own fuel
                              Originally posted by Fusion
                              If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                              The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                              The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                              Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                              William Pitt-

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                              • Turf1600
                                R3V OG
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 9815

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Naplm00
                                Why revolt?

                                If you dont like it here then leave! Go to canada, they need more whiny bitches...lol
                                I wish more people thought like you. Your philosophy really encourages growth! When times got tough, our founding fathers should have just moved west. Plebians, I tell you!
                                "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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