Sept. 11 to be an “International Burn a Koran Day".

[Deutschland über alles]

people can do what they want here in this country. live,die,piss and moan about it all.
they burn my flag, insult me, insult my family's sacrifice to keep us free...(yes i take it as a personal insult)the productive thing to do is...what? have a self esteem-building sit down meeting with them and play nice? they should be burning terrorist instead of religious text...but...what about their rights? I'm pretty sure they feel the same. war has always been fought by adults or people who thought they were.
anything can set off a psychopath...that what make them a psychopath.

[CorvallisBMW]

Hey Christians are well know for their book burring

anyone remember the Library at Alexandria???

Yeah and islam has it phases of book burning as well. So really its a moot point at best and really do we need to be pissing them off more, its just bad form period.

Exactly. The Catholic Church had huge book burning well in to the 19th century. Nazis had them. The KKK had them in the south, burning books by/about blacks.

Many large religions/followings do it, it's a formidable way to eliminate the voice of the competition and instill fear in the hearts of your followers at the same time. Keeps the ducks in a line.

[E30Idea]

Wow. Poeple are really into this stuff.

[ck_taft325is]

Exactly. The Catholic Church had huge book burning well in to the 19th century. Nazis had them. The KKK had them in the south, burning books by/about blacks.

Many large religions/followings do it, it's a formidable way to eliminate the voice of the competition and instill fear in the hearts of your followers at the same time. Keeps the ducks in a line.

And there's many an Athiest that has as well. As well as Scientists clamoring for the removal of Religion from society. Imposing their worldview on others by way of discrediting anyone who has a Faith, Religion or differing view point. You can claim that the facts don't 100% support God but science or cold hard facts can't explain the unexplainable 100%.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. True faith and personal relationship with God has very, very little to do with everyone else and more to do with God and you. When people, across the board start imposing their view point on everyone else and claiming superiority is when things get Religious. Tied to religion or not, one can be religious throughout their entire life. More and more everyone is polarizing and claiming to have a dominate and less reasonable.

Do you view your stand point as any different from what you describe? Claiming that facts completely line up with your world view and thus you seem to make many attempts at instilling "fear" in those with faith by threatening their intelligence? Calling names and nit picking everything? Drawing paralels between the KKK, Catholocism, Christianity and Islam? You're no different than the guy burning Qu'rans. You've just got another agenda and a different view point.

Black - Kettle - Pot.

[briansjacobs]

people can do what they want here in this country. live,die,piss and moan about it all.
they burn my flag, insult me, insult my family's sacrifice to keep us free...(yes i take it as a personal insult)the productive thing to do is...what? have a self esteem-building sit down meeting with them and play nice? they should be burning terrorist instead of religious text...but...what about their rights? I'm pretty sure they feel the same. war has always been fought by adults or people who thought they were.
anything can set off a psychopath...that what make them a psychopath.

I do not claim to have the answers to every problem, if I had the answers I would probaby be a much more important person than I am. I can tell you insulting people and resorting to violence are more often than not, not the answer to a problem.

[Need4Speed1299]

f****'em if they cant take a joke, would all of you saying burning the Koran is "all kinds of wrong" say the same if the Muslims said "burn our book and we'll kill all of you and your family's with suicide bombers"? o'wait they did....

I would then say.. burning the Bible is all sorts of wrong.

[mrsleeve]

Burring a Book is wrong period..... It makes no difference if its a Bible, a Koran, Al gores book, Or BHO's book. If you are burring it for the shear purpose of spiting some one or trying to illicit a reaction, or to silence an opposition its wrong no matter how you slice it. Those in power have done this though out history to keep them selves in power and in a manner of speaking its happening in our country right now. Not being burnt but the access to unfavorable materials are being purged form public libraries all over the place and being sold off, or donated for recycling. Friend of mine in MI bought about 300 books being purged from the kent county Libraries (grand rappids area) for a nickel a pop. Most of the titles were about socialism, fascism, commies, the Bolshevik revolution, Nazi's, Unfavorable views of particular us presidents, titles from Hayek, Friedman, unfavorable views of the Progressives, and the Constitution, federalist papers, and Thomas Paine's common sense. I have a few sitting on my desk right now, granted some may have just been replaced but really it did not look good.

Now if you have to have something to start a fire to keep warm or other practical purpose then you have a exception to that rule.

[CorvallisBMW]

And there's many an Athiest that has as well. As well as Scientists clamoring for the removal of Religion from society. Imposing their worldview on others by way of discrediting anyone who has a Faith, Religion or differing view point. You can claim that the facts don't 100% support God but science or cold hard facts can't explain the unexplainable 100%.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. True faith and personal relationship with God has very, very little to do with everyone else and more to do with God and you. When people, across the board start imposing their view point on everyone else and claiming superiority is when things get Religious. Tied to religion or not, one can be religious throughout their entire life. More and more everyone is polarizing and claiming to have a dominate and less reasonable.

Do you view your stand point as any different from what you describe? Claiming that facts completely line up with your world view and thus you seem to make many attempts at instilling "fear" in those with faith by threatening their intelligence? Calling names and nit picking everything? Drawing paralels between the KKK, Catholocism, Christianity and Islam? You're no different than the guy burning Qu'rans. You've just got another agenda and a different view point.

Black - Kettle - Pot.

Wow dude, way to over-analyze. I'm not talking about religion, or personal relationships with God, or whatever the fuck you're on about. I was merely pointing out that book burnings have been a tool used by fundamentalists around the world since, well since books were invented. They're designed to demonize and eliminate the competition (by destroying their voice), while at the same time lifting up their own beliefs/cause to a higher level than everyone else.

How does me pointing out historical facts about book burnings being used by many different groups in turn make me a book burner?

[Deutschland über alles]

all this discussion of book burning, is not what i got out of the article. one of the weapons these terrorist have is disruption. a real wmd. That is what the ground zero mosque is about. to divide and disrupt the American people. even posting of this article has (seems too) have this effect. the only thing anybody seems to agree upon (besides me) is about burning books? burn your t.v..who cares about books i understand about the "idea" of it, it isn't really important. dividing the free minded individualizes is.

[Ryan Stewart]

And there's many an Athiest that has as well. As well as Scientists clamoring for the removal of Religion from society. Imposing their worldview on others by way of discrediting anyone who has a Faith, Religion or differing view point. You can claim that the facts don't 100% support God but science or cold hard facts can't explain the unexplainable 100%.

This statement is pure, protectionist bullshit. No real scientist will state they can disprove the existence of a deity, only disprove the bullshit that people use as evidence of a deity.

Its the Church that changes the game when they get shown to be liars (like the geocentric universe) but the scientific method reigns supreme.

[omar85]

one of the very few times i agree with you. well said.

Burring a Book is wrong period..... It makes no difference if its a Bible, a Koran, Al gores book, Or BHO's book. If you are burring it for the shear purpose of spiting some one or trying to illicit a reaction, or to silence an opposition its wrong no matter how you slice it. Those in power have done this though out history to keep them selves in power and in a manner of speaking its happening in our country right now. Not being burnt but the access to unfavorable materials are being purged form public libraries all over the place and being sold off, or donated for recycling. Friend of mine in MI bought about 300 books being purged from the kent county Libraries (grand rappids area) for a nickel a pop. Most of the titles were about socialism, fascism, commies, the Bolshevik revolution, Nazi's, Unfavorable views of particular us presidents, titles from Hayek, Friedman, unfavorable views of the Progressives, and the Constitution, federalist papers, and Thomas Paine's common sense. I have a few sitting on my desk right now, granted some may have just been replaced but really it did not look good.

Now if you have to have something to start a fire to keep warm or other practical purpose then you have a exception to that rule.

[Dozyproductions]

Thomas Paine's Common Sense was in that pile? Sheesh.

[ck_taft325is]

This statement is pure, protectionist bullshit. No real scientist will state they can disprove the existence of a deity, only disprove the bullshit that people use as evidence of a deity.

Its the Church that changes the game when they get shown to be liars (like the geocentric universe) but the scientific method reigns supreme.

Who said anything about religion? I'm saying that if the argument "when God heals an amputee then I'll believe" is valid, why isn't "when science explains the unexplainable then I'll give it credit". The point in this was not to exasperate scientists or anyone of the science minded world. It's that the argument is lame and should be dropped in favor of a little bit of respect on both sides. If you missed that and take it at face value, then I'm sorry the internet failed you.

It's PEOPLE that change the game, friend. Not exclusively the Church and that's the main focal point in most of what I'm trying to get across. To say it's exclusively the Church that changes the rules when proven to be liars is to claim that science has never lied. Oh, so then if they are wrong when claiming facts that turn out to be false it was just a mistake? Wow, ironically then that same grace should be extended to the Church? Or does that street only flow one way?

Religion is bad. The politics of a Church are bad. The life changing faith in a God that moves and you can see doing huge things in peoples lives? That's not bad and I would criticize anyone that thinks it is for "weak" people. Those same people claim that those with Faith are weak are simultaniously claiming that they've got it all figured out. But when their functional savior (economics, politics, money, sex, blow, what have you) comes crashing down they crumble. You call them weak but I've never seen anyone hold their 5 year old baby girl while she breaths her last and still have hope that wasn't a Christian as my father in law and mother in law did. You call their faith weak and essentially spit in the faces of hurting people turning to a loving God? Please, now who's the bigotted little fuck running around feeling superior?

The point is it's not exclusive. The only common denominator for what people are claiming is exclusively the churches fault or religions fault is the People. And, if they would get past blaming God or religion or churches for the evil that man does, they might even realize that's exactly what the Bibles about. But it's fine. You're going to have your view point and ignore anyone else because you've got it figured out. That's fine. Don't accuse anyone of being weaker because they don't do it your way. That's a bogus amount of bullshit.

[mrsleeve]

Thomas Paine's Common Sense was in that pile? Sheesh.

I thought the Constitution and the federalist papers, were a bigger WTF, I am sure the bill of rights was in there some where to if all those docs were in it.

[z31maniac]

Who said anything about religion? I'm saying that if the argument "when God heals an amputee then I'll believe" is valid, why isn't "when science explains the unexplainable then I'll give it credit".

I'm sure it was God that figured out the chemical formulations for literally thousands of life saving drugs then?

Just because Science hasn't been able to explain everything yet, does not mean you discount all the things Science HAS figured out.