UAW (Union) workers hard at work...

[ck_taft325is]

So manic because I hold a union book I cant discuss, or have an opinion on other unionized industries, that give all of us a bad name?????

So because the UAW is the poster child for unionism gone ary, and is one of the biggest examples of "too much of a good thing" and a greedy union management, bringing a industry to its knees. Just because I hold a book, I cant objectively understand this, recognize it, and see it for what it is????

You fail to realize not all unions are created equal, and that most of us still work our asses off every day to make living, some times its not as good you seem to think it is. Just because there are some bad apples that happen to hold a book, that dose not mean its representative of all of us. I bet I can find some some video of guys drinking on a break while on the clock that dont hold a book, would that be representative of all of you guys that dont happen to be unionized????

The mind set you liken z31 to is the same many hold against a great many things. It's short sighted and arrogant. I don't like Unions but of late, I've been considering getting into them for the Electrical field as work in smaller businesses is just far too unstable right now. Not that the Union would be better, but the pay would carry me much further than a Private owned business.

You have to see though where Union's can and do hurt Private businesses. I know in WA State, the General Contractor Union's bank roll money from Union Due's, a precentage of profit, ect and when things get slow for everyone, under bid dramatically (~$50,000) just to keep things moving. I don't see this as bad as how the Electrician's Union has pushed legislation in WA State so that if a None-Union shop where to bid on a prevailing wage job, they have to pay ALL of their Electrician's, including Apprentices full Prevailing Wage whereas the Union's pay Apprentices a scaled wage to their years of Experience. For example, prevailing wage is $60+ for a Journeyman Electrician. Unions can scale their apprentice wages as such: 1st year, 25%, 2nd year, 50%, ect. A None Union shop has to pay the full $60+ an hour to their Apprentices despite experience which as I'm sure you can tell, severely hurts their chances to land a prevailing wage job (Government building contracts, ect).

[mrsleeve]

So manic because I hold a union book I cant discuss, or have an opinion on other unionized industries, that give all of us a bad name?????

So because the UAW is the poster child for unionism gone ary, and is one of the biggest examples of "too much of a good thing" and a greedy union management, bringing a industry to its knees. Just because I hold a book, I cant objectively understand this, recognize it, and see it for what it is????

You fail to realize not all unions are created equal, and that most of us still work our asses off every day to make living, some times its not as good you seem to think it is. Just because there are some bad apples that happen to hold a book, that dose not mean its representative of all of us. I bet I can find some some video of guys drinking on a break while on the clock that dont hold a book, would that be representative of all of you guys that dont happen to be unionized????

[joshh]

I would so join a union so I can drink and smoke on the job and never get fired for it. Just kidding.

Because they know it's nearly impossible to get fired and they know they wouldn't be snitched on by a person using their proper name, they obviously weren't worried about getting in trouble.
The thought of doing something like this while working has never crossed my mind.

[joshh]

Yeah and that shit dose not happen at non union shops either right.

And Josh you can fire union hand's I have done it, an seen it happen on many ocassions.

I wasn't saying they aren't legally able to. The UAW has a horrible record of keeping on those that would have been fired in a millisecond on a normal job.
They are unable to.

[reelizmpro]

I am a union member and we can get fired from a job, at least in the shipping industry. Granted it would take a lot to get fired (for the day; paid time worked or banned from working at that place for x amount of time) but drugs and alcohol are a big no-no if you get caught or get into an accident. For instance, a union member killing someone while under the influence (with drug test evidence). The Union cannot save him from that. If nothing has happened the member will be sent to rehab a few times before they get deregistered. Some, not all, union members feel they can do whatever they want with little repercussion. They hide behind it instead of standing up for it.

[Need4Speed1299]

I would so join a union so I can drink and smoke on the job and never get fired for it. Just kidding.

[CorvallisBMW]

[Jon325i]

America....fuck ya!!!

[z31maniac]

^No one is saying you CAN'T, there are lots of things that CAN'T be done, but they happen anyway.

sleeve, you have already recused yourself from any discussion involving unions. You are a member of a union, so you can't be objective, especially when you have bashed on unions that aren't yours before.

[mrsleeve]

Yeah and that shit dose not happen at non union shops either right.

And Josh you can fire union hand's I have done it, an seen it happen on many ocassions.

[joshh]

^^I'm glad to see that. Not for my sake but this to me is just so wrong. The Union saying one thing and doing another.
I'm not an American car guy but the UAW seals the deal for me to never buy American cars. As long as this nonsense goes on at least.
Unions were assembled for good reasons and now it's lopsided the other way.

[z31maniac]

So you can cite the portion of the UAW-Chrysler contract at this factory that backs up this assertion? Please point to the portion that states union employees can drink and/or do drugs on the job and not get fired.

I hate to side with joshh on this one, but to make people feel better the execs didn't say, "These irresponsible employees have been let go." They said, "We have numerous quality control procedures in place so they wouldn't affect the quality of vehicles built."

I know you're smart enough to read between the lines on that bullshit.

[joshh]

So you can cite the portion of the UAW-Chrysler contract at this factory that backs up this assertion? Please point to the portion that states union employees can drink and/or do drugs on the job and not get fired.

Show me when they have been fired....

[BraveUlysses]

No they can not. That's not how the Union works. They can/could discipline them. But Chrysler has no say either way.

More than likely they will get a slap on the wrist, have time off then come back on the job with back pay.

So you can cite the portion of the UAW-Chrysler contract at this factory that backs up this assertion? Please point to the portion that states union employees can drink and/or do drugs on the job and not get fired.

[joshh]

They "can" fire them.

They don't so they can't.


It's a really sad state of affairs.